on 22-07-2013 09:16 AM
Kevin Rudd makes a big claim about his deal with PNG:
From now on, any asylum seeker who arrives in Australia by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees. Asylum seekers taken to Christmas Island will be sent to Manus and elsewhere in Papua New Guinea for assessment of their refugee status.
But the published agreement does not guarantee at all what Rudd claims.
The deal is for just 12 months:
The deal does not oblige PNG to take all boat people sent from Australia. It makes such people only “liable” to being sent:
The intention here though, is that we will now bring the quality of those places back up to standard for the processing centre. So that, where at the moment, we will not be transferring women and children immediately across to Manus Island...
PNG’s Prime Minister does not commit himself to taking unlimited numbers any time soon:
We will take as much as we can on the capacities that we have on the ground… You can’t just simply estimate a number.
PNG even suggests there will be a “cap” on the number of people it will take:
PNG Foreign Minister Rimbink Pato told The Australian the arrangement was open-ended but he also signalled the potential to put “brakes” on its scope over time. “We are not putting any cap on any numbers at this stage because it is too early and we want to work through jointly to establish at what point in time what brakes Australia will put on and what brakes PNG will put on,” Mr Pato said.
The deal does not oblige PNG to resettle any boat people found not to be refugees:
LABOR is racing to close a gap in its new border protection regime as Papua New Guinea ... says that it will not resettle asylum-seekers who are refused refugee status…
PNG made it clear over the weekend that it was willing to resettle asylum-seekers who were given refugee status but would not do so for those who fail that test, keeping them in detention if no other countries agreed to accept them… Immigration Minister Tony Burke last night told The Australian that the provision did not mean people who failed to gain asylum on Manus Island would be sent back to detention centres in Australia.
Michael Smith notes that the deal is actually an “arrangement”, and not an agreement or a treaty:
To quote our DFAT publication, an Arrangement is used where ”the parties do not intend to create, of their own force, legal rights or obligations, or a legal rel.... Such instruments, whether in the name of the government or agencies, are termed “arrangements of less than treaty status’’.
The High Court might be interested in this aspect when judging whether Australia has indeed fulfilled its responsibility towards asylum seekers who have applied for our protection.
UPDATE
Further, the deal seems to offer life-time support from Australia for any refugees resettled in PNG under this arrangement, which could prove attractive:
Here is how Kevin Rudd described that last obligation:
...the Australian Government, in support of the PNG Government, will provide comprehensive settlement services to ensure that these refugees can live safely and with security and in time, prosperity, within PNG.
on 24-07-2013 01:03 PM
on 24-07-2013 01:04 PM
on 24-07-2013 05:12 PM
More drownings, more dead. Rudd did this, he unpicked the border protection policy & this is what we are faced with. The Labor party rewarded this person the prime ministership, what does this say about Labor.? I say he's now become a mass murderer.
on 24-07-2013 05:13 PM
@nero_wulf wrote:It seems that people that have no sense of humour are allowed.
Best bet pct001wine as you appear not to have an aussie sense of humour or see these as cartoons only and it appears that you are easily offended is to report my post to the mods... 🙂 🙂
@pct001wine wrote:Culturally offensive and stereotypical cartoons have no place on these boards
better tell that to cuperkins.
on 24-07-2013 05:22 PM
@silverfaun wrote:See the ABC come out & worry about PNG being a christian country & they worry about muslims going there.
Hello....our country is christian too & I never heard anything from the ABC about the 1000's of muslims flocking to our christian country.
Every day the ABC prove to millions of Australians that it should be sold off, let them try to make it in a commercial world.
I don't recall the ABC issuing a statement to that effect.
Or are you just talking about comments made by a non-ABC employee (ie a guest) on a talk show?
on 24-07-2013 05:27 PM
@windrake wrote:More drownings, more dead. Rudd did this, he unpicked the border protection policy & this is what we are faced with. The Labor party rewarded this person the prime ministership, what does this say about Labor.? I say he's now become a mass murderer.
By your categorisation then we can lump him with John Howard aye?
on 24-07-2013 05:50 PM
on 24-07-2013 05:53 PM
And Tony Abbott if he manages to con the Australian people, because he will murder this country.
on 24-07-2013 06:03 PM
and john malcolm fraser
on 24-07-2013 06:06 PM