Pauline Hanson calls for ban on Muslim immigration

[davidc4430]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-14/politics-blog-september-14/7842756

Does she not realise the muslims are here after hearing of us being over run by asians, they have come to throw the asians out of australia!

isnt that what she wanted last time she was in parliment?

just can't please some people, sheeesh!

[peteepie]

more care and better planning needed 🙂

[davidc4430]

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@johcaschro wrote:

"okie dokie

hands up anyone here who has any evidence of a muslim person miss treating a woman or child. 

hands up anyone who has been affected by a muslim social value.

hands up anyone who has evidence of different work ethics of muslims."

Okie dokie. today I saw two young men throwing papers out of their car window and as I drove up beside them I called out "hey mate, don't rubbish Australia"

the response still shocks me.

One of them called out to me "F*** Australia, we're from Iran, we hate Australia",  then both of them raised their arms in a sort of nazi salute and yelled something I didn't quite hear as they drove away.

I know this may be a one-off anecdote but it's true all the same and I couldn't help myself feeling that if this is their attitude then I'd wish them gone back to where they came from.

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how does this story make these losers different to any other losers whatever their nationality?

i'm sure most of us can remember things we have seen done by true blue aussies that are just as bad if not worse, try reading the thread on 'how low can you go'

[the_great_she_elephant]

Okie dokie. today I saw two young men throwing papers out of their car window and as I drove up beside them I called out "hey mate, don't rubbish Australia"

the response still shocks me.

The more things change the more they stay the same. 50 odd years ago when I was very newly arrived in Oz I was driving round Sydney with some young Aussie  blokes who lived in the flat next door. On our travels we passed three young men  of 'Mediterranean appearence' standing chatting outside a cafe. None of them so much as glanced us, but  as we passed them one of my 'mates' wound down the window and shouted "F***ing wogs"

The remark still shocks me.. 

Fast forward a few years. In Sydney again,  (visiting this time) I am walking through Parramatta  Park with a group of friends. We pass a family walking in the opposite direction - the mother is wearing a hijab. Each group has to move to their  left in order to to pass and  as we do so one 'friend mutters in a voice loud enough to be heard. "F***ing Muzzies - think they own the place."

The remark still shocks me..

[davidc4430]

there is bad people in every community, not just the muslim community.

if i had to choose a group that needs banning its the bikies who say they are law abiding citizens but its very well known inside their organisations are groups trafficing drugs to kids.

they grow weed then sell it to kids begining them on the road to ruin.

after the weed its the extasy tabs, then the heroin and all the other types.

and we are jumping up and down about muslims?

give me a break, lets get some perspective!

just how may die every year from drugs??

our worst ever muslim terrorist killed what? ...............2!!!!!!!!!!!!!

even if he'd killed everyone in that cafe, he still wouldnt come close to the deaths caused by bikies!

[johcaschro]

Perhaps you too should expand your reading a little more?

A comment by one David Brooks in the Weekend Australian today:

 "Those who think Pauline Hanson is an intolerant extremist should try reading the Koran."

[davidc4430]

you seem to missing my point in this whole thread

my point is why are a large section of our community up in arms about muslims comming to australia? where is the evedince they are any more of a threat than any other group in our community?

i have pointed out a very large group in our community who it seems to me have no reason to exist except to peddle drugs and commit crimes (including murders) and very few of us care.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-18/nomads-bikies-charged-over-suspected-mdma-trafficking/7855162

i just rekon some of us take media stories on muslims way too serious and ignore the threats right under our noses.

i really dont care whats written in the bible or the koran, they are books written by who knows who thousands of years ago and i'm sure both have many things in them that have no revelence today to any sane person. there will allways be nutters of all persuasions that read something then act on it. i'm sure plenty have seen movies depicting things then gone out and killed someone.

pauline wants to ban the burka, heck, lets ban the 'hoodie' as they look just as bad!

[johcaschro]

It's you who's really missing the point. You don't care what's in the Koran and by implication, you do not know.

The religious texts of a people/culture actually inform and instruct the attitudes, the values and the behaviors of the people who believe in religion.

You don't know what is in the Koran and therefore you don't know what Muslims believe. This is evidenced by your comment ". . .  lets ban the 'hoodie' as they look just as bad!"

The Islamic veil is a symbol and an expression of a very certain attitude towards women which is taught (and unfortunately, practised) in Islam. it represents certain values and ideas; it's not just a fashion statement, though at times it can be used as a political statement.

The answer to your question about why Muslim immigration is particularly challenging for many Australians is that Islam teaches its followers some lessons and values and ideas which are altogether alien and repugnant to those Australians who make the effort to understand it and to read its texts.

It's a different culture completely. Islam allows no freedom of choice in religion. if a person is born into a Musllim family they become Muslim; apostasy is not permitted. That is a Had crime in Islam.

I could go on with reasoned critiques of other indivdual parts of Islam but I find that my audience (here) is often just as uneducated as so many of Pauline Hanson's supporters seem to be and holding just as strong prejudices which they are unable to argue rationally in support of their position.

Some are just unwilling to take the time and make the effort to understand the ideas and the arguments and there's not really much difference in this between them and the supporters of PH. They have their own ideas and their own prejudices and they will not be moved by any reasoned appeal.

These books you dismiss so lightly are still relevant today despite being written so long ago as the ideas contained in them provide the very rationale and motivation for so many people's actions today.

[icyfroth]

You couldn't put a more incompatible culture into the mix with the Western than that of Islam.

It can only cause resentment and intolerance from both sides. Cries of racism. Of course there is racism. On both sides.

It won't go away until one or the other is either absorbed or defeated. Then there'll be other "isms".

The way the white Australian population is going with low birthrates and an aging population, it very much looks like it a slow surrender.

A long plan genocide.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Australia’s  Irish history wasn’t an easy one. There were Irish Catholics among the convicts brought here, some for political acts but most for the typical crimes that led to transportation. They were tightly controlled under fear of rebellion, not allowed to get together to practise their faith. Australia’s first Catholic priest, Father James Dixon, was a convict transported after a 1798 Irish rebellion, and in 1803 he was allowed to hold Australia’s first Catholic mass. But the following year there was a rebellion of Irish convicts at Castle Hill, which the governor believed had been plotted at mass – and that was it. No more masses. It was 1820 before another priest was officially appointed.

During Sydney’s first 32 years, Catholic group religious observance was prohibited for all but 10 months. There was a perceived danger in letting the Irish get together, and it needed to be prevented. ...................................

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The next time someone wants to ban a mosque, let’s remember that we banned Catholicism for most of Sydney’s early years for the same reason: fear that religious observance would let those different people get together in numbers, and plot

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/22/australia-once-banned-catholics-from-mass-and-...

[the_great_she_elephant]

Traditional Protestant British state-hatred of the "Catholic Irish" coalesced with contemporary fears of a pro-French republican 5th column and the Irish convicts and settlers – most of whom spoke Irish as their community language until the 1850s – represented a separate ethos to be kept under constant suspicion and both formal and informal surveillance. Ironically, many of theIrish Republican convicts who were prisoners after the 1798 rebellion were, in fact, Protestants. Nonetheless, it is recorded that predominantly Catholic Irish-speaking prisoners were frequently singled out for physical maltreatment by the authorities[ and sometimes murdered by English convicts for speaking Irish on the basis that it was a conspiratorial tongue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism_in_Australia