Pauline Hanson calls for ban on Muslim immigration

[davidc4430]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-14/politics-blog-september-14/7842756

Does she not realise the muslims are here after hearing of us being over run by asians, they have come to throw the asians out of australia!

isnt that what she wanted last time she was in parliment?

just can't please some people, sheeesh!

[davidc4430]

so acording to the koran whats the punishment for disobeying the laws as stated in the koran?

i havent read it so i'm guessing here but isnt it death?

so i'm wondering why, as its obvious many many muslims dont follow the laws as you think they should as the koran directs, why are we not seeing the bodies of wrong doing muslims piling up in the streets?

if as you seem to be saying the koran cant be interpreted by the followers and therefor we australians must get them out of our country as any moment now they will start killing us. because thats what the koran teaches.

why havent these crazy muslims been going on full scale killing sprees? right here in our streets.

why are they not going to their neighbours homes, knocking the door down and killing everyone within?

surely as good faithful muslims they have no choice??

or is there a date somewhere, like tuesday 10am september 27th 2016. all muslims will start the cleansing?

[johcaschro]

so acording to the koran whats the punishment for disobeying the laws as stated in the koran?

i havent read it so i'm guessing here but isnt it death?

Well, yes it is.

"if as you seem to be saying the koran cant be interpreted by the followers and therefor we australians must get them out of our country as any moment now they will start killing us. because thats what the koran teaches."

In some places in the world they have already started doing just that.

(and I didn't say that the Koran cannot be interpreted by its followers, but the koran also includes an acceptance of something called "taqiyya" ). You can read about that online.

"why are they not going to their neighbours homes, knocking the door down and killing everyone within?

surely as good faithful muslims they have no choice?"

If you read more, you will see that they are already doing this, again, in some places in the world.

That's what happens when a very strict interpretation of islam is followed.

Have you heard of Daesh? ISIS? Maybe you've heard of Boko Haram?

"or is there a date somewhere, like tuesday 10am september 27th 2016. all muslims will start the cleansing?"

Well yes, again, there was a date, but it's come and gone long ago when ISIS and its ilk called for the attack and murder of all "infidels" in sort of religio-ethnic cleansing.

[davidc4430]

soooo, basically......your saying......

they dont have to do as the koran says.......

thus here in australia they are just like us.......

they have some in their ranks who go loopy and murder people for whats in a book.......

making everything your saying wrong.

otherwise the muslims following the koran word for word would be rounding up the muslims that arnt and stoning them to death.....

ah, i see the problem......we havent got stonning areas set up for them......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffwFXGPRDu4

[johcaschro]

soooo, basically......your saying......

they dont have to do as the koran says.......

No, they do have to do what the Koran says, it's just that the Koran says so many self-contradictory things.

Did you look up the word "taqiyya" yet?

I'm not wrong.

otherwise the muslims following the koran word for word would be rounding up the muslims that arnt and stoning them to death....

Yes, in some parts of the world that is exactly what some Muslims are doing. ISIS and Boko Haram are two well known examples of this.

What's a "stonning area" ?

[davidc4430]

are we going to play 'i can spell better than you now'?

[lionrose.7]

[springyzone]

Many countries view Australians as fat, lazy bludgers who have been committing crimes against the indigenous population for centuries, including kidnapping, slavery, rape and murder. Personally, I think different values, morals and ethics are good. It allows for the national identity to grow, mature and put the shameful part of our past behind us. Or would you prefer us to stick with our current identity?

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I think it is sad that you think our past is shameful. It is already behind us & sure, there are grim parts but on the whole we should be proud of our past. It's as good as anywhere else and better than a lot of other places.

If you think the muslim world has no shameful parts, I'd say you need a rethink.

Part of our problem in this country (as I see it) is we have too many people who go along with the trend to undervalue their own culture while putting other cultures up on a pedestal.

You won't find many muslims doing that.

Our current identity is fine. Why do you think so many people wish to migrate here. It's because their own places are often hellholes or else offer not as much opportunity to their children.

That's not to say we can't have some muslim or any other migration, but surely we need to do it in a sensible way so the process can go smoothly, so the people who come out have a chance of getting a job & at a rate so that our services eg roads, health etc can keep up with.

Some social change is fine. Social turmoil or conflict on a big scale is hell. Ask some of the migrants!

[bjackson0000]

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@springyzone wrote:

Many countries view Australians as fat, lazy bludgers who have been committing crimes against the indigenous population for centuries, including kidnapping, slavery, rape and murder. Personally, I think different values, morals and ethics are good. It allows for the national identity to grow, mature and put the shameful part of our past behind us. Or would you prefer us to stick with our current identity?

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I think it is sad that you think our past is shameful. It is already behind us & sure, there are grim parts but on the whole we should be proud of our past. It's as good as anywhere else and better than a lot of other places.

If you think the muslim world has no shameful parts, I'd say you need a rethink.

Part of our problem in this country (as I see it) is we have too many people who go along with the trend to undervalue their own culture while putting other cultures up on a pedestal.

You won't find many muslims doing that.

Our current identity is fine. Why do you think so many people wish to migrate here. It's because their own places are often hellholes or else offer not as much opportunity to their children.

That's not to say we can't have some muslim or any other migration, but surely we need to do it in a sensible way so the process can go smoothly, so the people who come out have a chance of getting a job & at a rate so that our services eg roads, health etc can keep up with.

Some social change is fine. Social turmoil or conflict on a big scale is hell. Ask some of the migrants!

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If you do not feel ashamed of our past treatment of indigenous Australians, then that is your business. But to suggest it is already behind us would require clarification of who you mean by "us". If "us" includes indigenous Australians, then I am very confident that many of those individuals would disagree with you.

Several members of the stolen generation are still alive. Some of these people were forcibly removed from their homes, brutalised, treated as sub-humans and never saw their families again. Their pain and sadness too is very much alive. And this is relatively recent history that indigenous people have to make sense of amid a longer history that includes being hunted and killed by white Australians for sport. What must they think of civilised Australia?

If by "us" you mean white Australians, then I am sure that most of us identify with our heritage. You state, "On the whole we should be proud of our past" - fair enough, but not all of it.

[***super_nova***]

Some years ago I met a lovely woman from kazachstan.  She was just finishing a degree here, back home she was very high up in branch of multinational company.   Then one day there was something negative about Islam on TV and I said:  "that is a worry".  She smiled and said "you do realise that I am a Muslim".  I felt pretty stupid.  Since then I took some trouble to learn about Islam and Muslims beyond the bleep we are fed in the media and that is parroted by Hanson. 

Yes, it is true there is a high unemployment among the Muslim new arrivals.  I am not surprised, considering the attitude of so many people towards them.  Many companies will not employ them, just as 30 years ago they would not employ Asians. 

Most Muslims I met are very shy, it is hard when they are not confident with their English and they do feel the hostility of the community. but given chance they will socialise.

If you learn bit about the history of the middle east you will find that Muslims lived in relative harmony with all other religions and sects.  There were always various tribal squabbles just as there were such conflicts anywhere else in the world, but there was never anything that said Muslims must hate Jews and Christians.  If you really read Koran, and not just selected passages taken out of context,  you will find that, if anything, Muslims are required to be kinder to everybody than we are.  They consider it their duty to help anybody who needs help.  Naively, they expect that rest of the world is the same. 

Did you know that during WW2 Syria was taking in refugees from Europe?  I know Jewish people who escaped from Europe to Syria, and always spoke of the kindness of Syrian people, who were very poor but still willing to help. 

http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-04-26/what-it-s-inside-refugee-camp-europeans-who-fled-syria-egypt-a...

It is true that there are some barbaric practices in Africa and the Middle East, but Muslim women do have rights:

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/5-rights-islam-gave-women-before-western-feminism?ref=fb

[springyzone]

If you do not feel ashamed of our past treatment of indigenous Australians, then that is your business.

If you actually read what I said, I said some parts of our history are grim. I am not glossing over a thing. I am not ashamed of it as I had nothing to do with it, I was not alive. I am saddened that it happened but I realise it was a different world. My grt grt grandfather was a convict, jailed and given lashes at the age of  8 and again at 12.

But to suggest it is already behind us would require clarification of who you mean by "us". If "us" includes indigenous Australians, then I am very confident that many of those individuals would disagree with you.

 Several members of the stolen generation are still alive. Some of these people were forcibly removed from their homes, brutalised, treated as sub-humans and never saw their families again.

Some were, but I am also guessing some children were removed for what were looked on then as humanitarian reasons, to remove them from dysfunctional family life. Misguided perhaps but not every case was done with the wrong motives. I do realise the way to hell is paved with good intentions.

The reality is that white settlement sent many aboriginal people into a cycle of generational poverty and it is that mind set & upbringing that is at the root of a lot of problems today, not their race as such. I'm living in an area where several children with aboriginal background are schooled and a lot have alcohol & drug dependent parents & there is huge trouble ahead for them, you can see it.

Their pain and sadness too is very much alive. And this is relatively recent history that indigenous people have to make sense of amid a longer history that includes being hunted and killed by white Australians for sport. What must they think of civilised Australia?

If by "us" you mean white Australians, then I am sure that most of us identify with our heritage. You state, "On the whole we should be proud of our past" - fair enough, but not all of it.

I never at any stage said all of it. And I don't mean just anglo saxon white migration. I think all Australians, including new migrants, should be in a country where we are proud of or interested in our whole history. That history includes aboriginal history, white settlement and the waves of migration since. We shouldn't shirk teaching the bad bits but we shouldn't act as if they are the whole story either.