Plane missing with 236 people on board

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-08/malaysia-airlines-lost-contact-with-plane/5307888

 

Malaysia Airlines says one of its planes has gone missing on the way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

A statement from the airline says flight MH370 lost contact with air traffic controllers at 2:40am local time, just over two hours into the flight.

 

The plane, a Boeing 777-200, left Kuala Lumpur at 12:41am on Saturday, and had been due to arrive in Beijing at 6:30am local time.

The company says the plane was carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew members.

The airline says it is contacting the next-of-kin of all passengers and crew, which includes people of 13 different nationalities.

In a statement on the airline's website, group chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said the airline was working with authorities to locate the aircraft.

 

"Focus of the airline is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilise its full support," the statement said.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members."

The airline says it will provide regular updates on its website.

The ABC understand Malaysia Airlines will hold a press conference on the incident shortly.

 

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to OP....the latest:

 

"To those who are guilty of harming our loved ones, hiding the truth, and delaying the search and rescue, we will also definitely not forgive them," said a family representative, Jiang Hui."

http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=963002&vId=4391596

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Have you heard of this conspiracy theory about the disappearance of MH 370? The story goes like this:
        While the USA is withdrawing from  Afghanistan one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Taliban while the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.
        What the Taliban want is money. They offered to sell the system to the Russians &r the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine but the Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all  American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.
        Sometime in early Mar 2014,  the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection.  Meanwhile the Americans  engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they were determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
        The Chinese decided that it will be safest  to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm  a civilian aircraft.. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
        There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.
        When MH370 is about to leave  Malaysian air space and was reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.
        How  AWAC can do this ? Remember the 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) were installed with a remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all  Boeings could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
        The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space is covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
        The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
        The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers took off again via remote control and crashed into the South Indian Ocean, causing the world to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and hence blame the defiant captain and copilot.
        The Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort into the South China Sea while the plane made its way to the Indian Ocean. Then they came out with conflicting statements and evidence to confuse the world. Austral ia is complicit.
        The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean  is unprecedented. This showed that  China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.
        Don't believe the story? I don't expect you to but let's wait and see how the episode unveils itself.

 

  Why hasn't the cargo manifest been released yet?.....apart from a supposed 2.5-3 tonnes of mangosteens      

 
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There is no such place as Garcia Deigo.

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It's an interesting theory.

 

there is such a place as Garcia Di ego

 

Interestingly the name was blanked out and so was the link I posted to it hence the edit.

 

if you google it you will find some interesting links.

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yes I realise that. Good of you to pick this up.

I C&P this ......so, read as Diego Garcia.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

 

 

http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/did-malaysian-flight-mh370-land-at.html

 

 

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/591800-diego-garcia-philip-wood-ibm-engineer-on-flight-mh370-posts-p...

Diego Garcia: Philip Wood, IBM Engineer on Flight MH370, Posts Photo From U.S. โ€˜Prisonโ€™?

 

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2014/03/flight-370-diego-garcia-what-the-msm-wont-tell-...

Re: the black/blank photo from the IBM tech on the lost Malaysian jet. The photo was taken inside a building just off the runways at Diego Garcia. I put the photo into my editing software, grabbed the GPS point and here it is. Try this: go to: itouchmap.com , choose #6, go to the bottom right box and input the info -7 18 58.3 LATITUDE 72 25 35.6 LONGITUDE

Click on: SHOW POINT zoom in and you will see where the photo originated. Wow. Youโ€™ll probably recognize the heavy aircraft parked nearby.

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Have either of you checked the date on your calendars this morning?

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A friend who is a qantas head steward reckons this bloke is on the right track. remember this was written on the 03.18.14

http://www.wired.com/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors.

 

I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; itโ€™s almost disturbing.

 

I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.

We know the story of MH370: A loaded Boeing 777 departs at midnight from Kuala Lampur, headed to Beijing.

 

A hot night. A heavy aircraft. About an hour out, across the gulf toward Vietnam, the plane goes dark, meaning the

 

transponder and secondary radar tracking go off.

 

Two days later we hear reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar, meaning the plane is tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca.

The left turn is the key here.

 

Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time.

 

We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise.

 

Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us.

 

Theyโ€™re always in our head. Always. If something happens, you donโ€™t want to be thinking about what are you going to doโ€“you already know what you are going to do.

 

When I saw that left turn with a direct heading,

 

I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles.

 

The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross.

 

He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire.

 

And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.

 

If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.

There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke.

 

However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning.

 

Yes, this happens with underinflated tires.

 

Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.

 

There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff.

 

Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke.

 

Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire.

 

Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)

What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that routeโ€“looking elsewhere is pointless.

Ongoing speculation of a hijacking and/or murder-suicide and that there was a flight engineer on board does not sway me in favor of foul play until I am presented with evidence of foul play.

We know there was a last voice transmission that, from a pilotโ€™s point of view, was entirely normal. โ€œGood nightโ€ is customary on a hand-off to a new air traffic control. The โ€œgood nightโ€ also strongly indicates to me that all was OK on the flight deck. Remember, there are many ways a pilot can communicate distress.

 

A hijack code or even transponder code off by one digit would alert ATC that something was wrong.

 

Every good pilot knows keying an SOS over the mike always is an option.

 

Even three short clicks would raise an alert. So I conclude that at the point of voice transmission all was perceived as well on the flight deck by the pilots.

But things could have been in the process of going wrong, unknown to the pilots.

Evidently the ACARS went inoperative some time before. Disabling the ACARS is not easy, as pointed out.

 

This leads me to believe more in an electrical problem or an electrical fire than a manual shutdown. I suggest the pilots probably were not aware ACARS was not transmitting.

As for the reports of altitude fluctuations, given that this was not transponder-generated data but primary radar at maybe 200 miles, the azimuth readings can be affected by a lot of atmospherics and I would not have high confidence in this being totally reliable.

 

But letโ€™s accept for a minute that the pilot may have ascended to 45,000 feet in a last-ditch effort to quell a fire by seeking the lowest level of oxygen.

 

That is an acceptable scenario. At 45,000 feet, it would be tough to keep this aircraft stable, as the flight envelope is very narrow and loss of control in a stall is entirely possible.

 

The aircraft is at the top of its operational ceiling. The reported rapid rates of descent could have been generated by a stall, followed by a recovery at 25,000 feet.

 

The pilot may even have been diving to extinguish flames.

But going to 45,000 feet in a hijack scenario doesnโ€™t make any good sense to me.

Regarding the additional flying time: On departing Kuala Lampur, Flight 370 would have had fuel for Beijing and an alternate destination, probably Shanghai, plus 45 minutesโ€“say, 8 hours.

 

Maybe more. He burned 20-25 percent in the first hour with takeoff and the climb to cruise.

 

So when the turn was made toward Langkawi, he would have had six hours or more hours worth of fuel. This correlates nicely with the Inmarsat data pings being received until fuel exhaustion.

 


Fire in an aircraft demands one thing: Get the machine on the ground as soon as possible.

The now known continued flight until time to fuel exhaustion only confirms to me that the crew was incapacitated and the flight continued on deep into the south Indian ocean.

There is no point speculating further until more evidence surfaces, but in the meantime it serves no purpose to malign pilots who well may have been in a struggle to save this aircraft from a fire or other serious mechanical issue.

 

Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. There is no doubt in my mind.

 

Thatโ€™s the reason for the turn and direct route.

 

A hijacking would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It probably would have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided where they were taking it.

Surprisingly, none of the reporters, officials, or other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilotโ€™s viewpoint: If something went wrong, where would he go? Thanks to Google Earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times.

Fire in an aircraft demands one thing: Get the machine on the ground as soon as possible.

 

There are two well-remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed, I believe, in Columbus, Ohio in the 1980s.

 

That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didnโ€™t instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually, but lost 30-odd souls. The 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots.

 

They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. They simply ran out of time.

 

That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what? The transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.

Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading.

 

Two plus two equals four. For me, that is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction. Smart pilot. He just didnโ€™t have the time.

Chris Goodfellow has 20 years experience as a Canadian Class-1 instrumented-rated pilot for multi-engine planes.

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Have either of you checked the date on your calendars this morning?


Why? Is there really no such place as Garcia Deigo? Smiley Surprised

 

Woman LOL

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Yes colic.

I hear you, all plausible.

.....but why all the 'secrecy'? Satellite images would have been tracking this plane......if we assume that it flew on for 4-7+hours, in any direction and then 'crashed' then a satellite image would show clearly its last position.

I do not wear all this BS about 'noone' knows what happened to the plane, where it ended up etc.

 

'Someone' knows something and 'they' are keeping it under wraps-why?

 

 

 

"When will our journosโ€™ think to ask the Defence Minister, Communications Minister or Foreign Affairs Minister or the USA how MA370 could possibly have escaped detection, when apparently both the extrapolated flight paths it may have taken to the southern Indian Ocean search areas would place it flying past right under the North West Capeโ€™s  RADAR noses. If the USA operators arenโ€™t capturing that sort of data, nor sharing it with their hosts Australia under our defence sharing arrangements, questions need to be asked as to why Australia allows the base to even be there โ€“ especially given the mountain of tax payer dollars funding Australian Air-force search flights, the Navy vessel deployments, and related logistics are running up right now, which possibly could be mitigated had more accurate data been gathered at North West cape and made been available to the search effort co-ordinators....."

 

โ€ฆthe West Australianโ€™s Aviation editor/journo finally casually mentions a bleeding obvious question on 7 Sunrise morning TV today, as a curious minor matter in passing commentary;

 

 

 

โ€œApparently it [MA370] also wasnโ€™t picked up by the Jindalee Over the Horizon long range Radar facility at North West Cape?โ€

 

Just three weeks into the mystery โ€ฆ now there is some quality Australian investigative journalism!

 

 

 

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