Plane missing with 236 people on board

[freakiness]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-08/malaysia-airlines-lost-contact-with-plane/5307888

Malaysia Airlines says one of its planes has gone missing on the way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

A statement from the airline says flight MH370 lost contact with air traffic controllers at 2:40am local time, just over two hours into the flight.

The plane, a Boeing 777-200, left Kuala Lumpur at 12:41am on Saturday, and had been due to arrive in Beijing at 6:30am local time.

The company says the plane was carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew members.

The airline says it is contacting the next-of-kin of all passengers and crew, which includes people of 13 different nationalities.

In a statement on the airline's website, group chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said the airline was working with authorities to locate the aircraft.

"Focus of the airline is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilise its full support," the statement said.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members."

The airline says it will provide regular updates on its website.

The ABC understand Malaysia Airlines will hold a press conference on the incident shortly.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

Satellites would not have been tracking the plane

Satellites only take pictures of what they are programmed to take pictures of.....and it's generally not Planes.......

It would be impossible to take and store pictures of random items worldwide that they are not targeted to take pictures

of.

The satellite pictures that are being provided now looking for wreckage have been taken only after retargetting the

satellites to the search areas....... well and truly after the fact.

The malaysian military radar that detected the plane only followed it because it was unannouced and flying within

their airspace.

A more capable response for the Malay authorities may have been to scramble a jet to get a visual on the

unnanounced aircraft.... I dunno maybe that is not part of their security protocol

I guess that because it entered, crossed then left their airspace that they did not think it was worth a look.

If the Australian radar site detected that an unannounced plane was entering or about to enter Aus air space that did

not respond to identification upon enquiry then I would hope that the response would be as above.....

...... ie scramble a jet, go and have a look and let air control know of the findings

....... but it didnt enter Aus air space nor come within a bulls roar of it.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

and why didnt that big fandangled aus radar spot this one... then watch it fall out of the sky only 150km from Darwi???

Becasue it wasn't looking for it, have control over it or even give a toss even if it was on their screen...then dropped off their screen.... it's not their job to do that..... that's why

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-03/search-for-nt-plane-crash-victim-called-off/4608318

Northern Territory police have called off the search to locate wreckage and a fourth missing person after a fatal plane crash south-west of Darwin.

The aircraft carrying a family of four went missing in bad weather after leaving the remote Bullo River cattle station on Monday afternoon.

Three bodies were found near Cape Ford yesterday and are yet to be formally identified.

The remains are believed to be that of the 45-year-old pilot Stuart Sceney, his wife Karmi Dunn, 53, and one of their two daughters.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-11/sceney-family-aircraft-wreckage-found-four-dead/5016286

The wreckage of a plane involved in a crash that killed a Darwin family six months ago has been found.

Stuart Sceney, 45, his wife Karmi, 53, and their two adopted Ethiopian daughters Mekdes, 12, and Kal-Kidan, 15, were killed when their light plane crashed about 150 kilometres south-west of Darwin in April.

Their single-engine Cessna 210 went down in waters near Cape Ford, off the Northern Territory coast.

The aircraft went missing in bad weather after leaving remote Bullo River Station on a flight to Darwin.

Three bodies were later recovered but the plane could not be found.

The wreckage was spotted by a pilot flying over the region earlier this week.

Police have spent the past few days investigating and have recovered an identification plate from the wreckage confirming the find.

[monman12]

Give your nutty  insensitive hogwash theories a rest  P007.

Lets see:  a B 777- 200ER landing on a British Indian Ocean Territory  with  a not  so secret  US base,  and a "population of 2000+ quite a few of whom,  if not all,  would notice such an unusual aircraft landing there, or  base gossip would know, then perhaps they "might" comment via the Internet or the celluar phone network.

"“Apparently it [MA370] also wasn’t picked up by the Jindalee Over the Horizon long range Radar facility at North West Cape?”

Actually Jindalee does not have a site at North West Cape or even near,   and also the  North West Cape is a VLF communication site NOT a radar site

I know you do not read/understand your numerous C&P links, but at least read this thread apropos Jindalee. Hint:

Ionosphere reflections  at night.

Operational status.

And also: " JORN does not operate on a 24 hour basis except during military contingencies. Defence’s
peacetime use of JORN focuses on those objects that the system has been designed to detect,
thus ensuring efficient use of resources"

"Jindalee Over the Horizon long range Radar facility at North West Cape?”

"now there is some quality Australian investigative journalism! "

With as much knowledge or research as is being shown here

 nɥºɾ

PS

The captain of Flight 370 allegedly had approach and landing information for Diego Garcia FJDG (ICAO airfield designation) on his flight simulator,   so?.   FJDG is a required alternate landing airfield for the B777-200ER on a couple of its long range flights, which require a suitable  airfield be within 180 minutes flying when operating a twin engine aircraft on one engine.

[the_great_she_elephant]

John, I've found a diagram showing the range of the radar at Jindalee (somwhere between 2000-3000k depending on ionespheric conditions)  but I haven't been able to track down one showing the presumed flight path of the plane - is it possible that it would barely have come within range of Jindalee anyway? 

BTW the VLF antenna at North West Cape is gobsmacking! It loks like fencing wire wound round a huge paddock.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

some good info here she elephant. The last radar contact position is marked on the map. the link shows the method used by inmarsat to approximate position using the "pings". It also shows how tyhey were able to positively say whether the plane travelled North or South using the satellites "wobble" while in orbit

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/179112-how-satellites-tracked-down-flight-mh370-and-why-we-still-...

[fourandsixpants]

to colic.

              "wobble" is an appropriate word here.

Ridiculing what others suggest then posting old info and C&P yourself does not convince me that 'they' are being covert in deliberately hiding the truth and giving out misleading 'mixed up' information about both the sequence and details of events from the time flight MH370 took off until today. 

[monman12]

TGSE JORN coverage to the west is shown below, but remember that the 370 went missing when it was dark and ionospheric activity would be at its lowest.  Jindalee works on doppler shift thus a southerly track by 370 even if within range would have produced a minimal (if any) detectable signal, as Doppler radar works best  against a target heading towards (or away) from the radar source, not tangentially.

Which brings me to a satellite wobble explanation for P007.

The "wobble" is a KNOWN small,  figure 8,  N-S race track pattern of 30Nm that the Inmarsat satellite tracks about its supposed fixed position in space. This would produce a measurable Doppler shift in the S band ping frequency from  flight 370 depending  whether the aircraft was heading north or south,  thus after a lot of computation and cross checking with airborne aircraft the southerly heading was decided as the one taken because other aircraft showed the same southerly doppler shift when checked.

nɥºɾ

[the_great_she_elephant]

Thanks John - just the information I was after. It's nice to be able to have an intelligent discussion on the subject occasionally.

[icyfroth]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Thanks John - just the information I was after. It's nice to be able to have an intelligent discussion on the subject occasionally.

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So will you be able to find the plane now?

[icyfroth]

Update:

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 probe classified as a criminal investigation: WSJ

The investigation into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been classified as a criminal investigation, according to reports in the Wall Street Journal.

The newspaper claimed that Khalid Abu Bakar said police had taken more than 170 statements for the ongoing probe into the March 8 disappearance of the Boeing 777 and had now been classified as a criminal investigation.

However, the police chief said findings from the investigation wouldn't be revealed soon because of fears it may impact a later prosecution.

"We may not even know real cause," Bakar was quoted saying, adding that an investigation into the MH370's captain's home-made flight simulator remained inconclusive.

Hard drives from the flight simulator were handed over to US authorities, including the FBI, after it was discovered that information had been deleted..

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