Please find another time for Protest

[the_bob_delusion]

If you're fighting to protect people's lives, why not start by not risking the innocent lives of everyone elses. Find another time. I will have more respect for you. I was just saying the other day: Thank God that Australians aren't as crazy as Americans and we have at least some common sense not to choose this time to protest. 

[4channel]

@the_bob_delusion wrote

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@4channel wrote:

It''s not that George Floyd is being touted as some kind of hero, it''s just that he is the latest victim of extreme police brutality and has become the symbol of the outcry against this type of brutality. Many victims of other crimes have been the symbol of an issue whether it's a rape victim, victim of gross corruption, cancer victim etc.. Obviously Floyd's profile has been elevated. The killings of African Americans at the hands of police is one of America's greatest evil shames. Another great shame is when a non law enforcement person who is of another ethnicity is insufficiently punished for killing an African American.

Let's look at the killing of George Floyd. Here we have a man with his knee on the neck of a handcuffed human being. The cop has his weight bearing down on the neck of a shackled man. This goes deep into the subconscious of many people. This could be seen as a modern-day lynching! When "Negros" ((as they were called back in the day or something worse)) were the victims lynching . So when an African American was lynched the rope was usually around his neck. Where was cop Derek Chauvin's knee?

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QUOTE: the_bob_delusion

I don't say racism doesn't exist. it clearly does but the issue is more an American one. If you want facts and perspective. If black lives matter. The movement should be targeting the entire black community. Blacks kill other blacks in crazy number. almost 90% of blacks being killed are committed by other blacks. Why are they not educating other blacks that black lives matter??? Alternatively, hazard to guess who kills white people more??? Ever checked the percentage of blacks committing violent crimes vs the percentage of blacks in the American community. The solution is, black live matters only if blacks cared enough about their own community.

The blacks are clearly discriminated and treated poorly in society. They need to start treating themselves and each other better for things to get better.

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@4channel replies:

Yes African Americans kill each other in crazy numbers just as much as Caucasian Americans kill Caucasian Americans etc.. Worse for African Americans because of them being on the minority.

Two good films to watch are Capitalsim: A Love Story and Sicko by Michael Moore. That gives you an idea of what things are like for Americans in general and how everybody is suffering. Now think about the disparity's that has always existed between Caucasian Americans and African Americans. A good thing to listen to and read is How African-Americans were ‘shut out’ of the American dream  by David Brancaccio and Janet Nguyen. Very interesting and enlightening!

Look at the crime ridden African American communities and try to think how they got that way. Think of the disparity I mentioned previously, think of the history of brutality and denial of equality that has been put on African Americans. Throw all of these people together in areas where employment is hard or almost impossible to come by but narcotics are pumped into and made freely available. Think about why on an OFFICIAL level that this has been deliberately overlooked. Then think what the result is going to be!

African Americans have cried out about the issues that affect them for years and this includes the issue you addressed here "Blacks kill other blacks in crazy number. almost 90% of blacks being killed are committed by other blacks". They have for years cried out about this and nobody has really done anything about it and nobody in government seems to give a stuff! Yeah, some lip service and that's about it.

The people supporting the Black LIves Matter mov't are addressing  the latest issue in a long line  of brutality affecting African Americans. This current one is the neck-crushing public execution of  George Floyd. Perhaps it will be a first, and  people in power will listen this time and actually address an issue for once unlike ignoring and doing nothing like they have with the previous issues.

[domino-710]

Michael Moore - check your sources. lol

[4channel]

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@domino-710 wrote:

Michael Moore - check your sources.

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Yes it's Michael Moore that made the films. Are there other titles with the same name by different film makers?  I  checked and I've credited the correct person for those films.

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@domino-710 wrote:

lol

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"lol" ?

[domino-710]

Indeed - I was moore more into content.

[the_bob_delusion]

Bloody hell, we might not know the effect of the protest on the virus no. for a few weeks so the advisors are being cautious and delaying the easing of restrictions and border opening.

[springyzone]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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My point is, people are less sympathetic of someone who has a violent criminal history. Not petty crime as you state. This hasn't been release to the public but sources indicate what he did in the past was incredibly evil. The aggrevated burgery for one. Media wouldn't reveal what it is but the added "aggrevated " was pretty bad according to sources. And he also broke into a pregnant women's home pointing a gun at her stomach if she didn't give him any money. I don't condone the police guy's action one bit. But you shouldn't make this guy out as a hero for equal rights. If there're thousands of injustice to black people. The evidence should be able to find one victim, just one that is worthly to be the poster boy. Honestly, is it so hard to find someone?

If you point a gun at anyone's pregnant wife threatening their lives, I'll have less respect for the life of this person black or white or green. 

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I think this is an excellent point.

Obviously the protests have been about how the man died as it was unnecessarily brutal behaviour on the part of the police officers involved, or it certainly seems that way.

But to me, the protests have been unfocussed in that they don't have clear objectives. For instance, I have read that policing in USA is different in that a person can be sacked from one police department but employed by another, despite a bad record. Perhaps the campaign should be to tighten up police recruitment or regulations across the entire nation? I just think there needs to be a clear list of outcomes that marchers are hoping to achieve. To have it vague eg 'we don't like police brutality against blacks' is not necessarily going to achieve much change, except perhaps to put officers on notice to be a bit circumspect when arresting black people. Whether the officers involved can receive a fair trial now is another question.

We do need to address the issue though of the worth of the life of George Floyd. All lives matter but in practical terms, we, as a society, do recognise that all lives are not equal. That is not to say a person's life should be treated cheaply and of no regard, don't get me wrong. But we do evaluate the worth of a life. For instance, I would say euthanasia has a lot of popular support under certain circumstances. I would say capital punishment has too. Then again, in Italy we recently saw people over 60 missing out on medical treatment in ICU. It wasn't that their lives were considered worthless, but there were not enough ventilators so priority was given to the young.

George Floyd may not have deserved to die at that time in that way for that crime (I heard it was for passing counterfeit money?) But realistically, he is probably no great loss to society. If you live by the sword, chances are higher you'll die by the sword.

[icyfroth]

George Floyd died tragically while being arrested by four Minneapolis (Minnesota) Police Officers – Thomas Lane, Derek Chauvin, Tou Thao, and J Alexander Kueng for passing a $20 counterfeit bill.

Though George was murdered brutally, nobody is aware of George Floyd’s Criminal Past Record/Arrest Timeline for armed robbery, allegedly pointing a gun at a pregnant woman and being involved in cocaine/white bag/baggie charges.

The Union Chief of Minneapolis Police (MPD) released a statement on 1st June 2020, shedding light on late George Floyd’s ‘violent criminal history’.

The Union Chief, Bob Kroll wrote in a letter to his acquaintances and followers on Twitter, “What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this”. He also said that the ongoing protests are results of a “terrorist movement”.

In 2009, George Floyd was arrested for a 1st-degree felony charge, as per police criminal records/history/past, of assault and armed robbery he took part in 2007 and spent five years in prison for breaking into a lady’s house with the intent to rob her.

George agreed that he wore a blue uniform to look like a government employee to gain the lady’s trust, and eventually pave his way into the house.

The lady soon realized that the person was impersonating to be a government worker, she tried to shut the door but Floyd brute-forced his way into the house. Consequently, a Ford truck pulled up to the house’s main entrance, five people exited the truck and went straight inside the lady’s house.

According to Daily Mail (UK), the court report mentions that the victim identified George, tallest of all the robbers, who pressed a pistol to her stomach and forced his way into the house. George Floyd’s height was 6 foot 6 inches.

Did George Floyd Have Drugs In His System During Autopsy? What is Fentanyl?

Fentanyl is a DEA Schedule II synthetic morphine substitute anesthetic/analgesic. It is reported to be 80 to 200 times as potent as morphine and has a rapid onset of action as well as addictive properties. It is prescribed to patients who become intolerant to other pain-curing medications.

Hennepin County medical examiners released the toxicology report on June 2nd, 2020 which stated that George Floyd was indeed intoxicated with Fentanyl, Methamphetamine, and traces of cannabinoids and morphine at the time of his death. However, these were not termed the principal factors behind Floyd’s death.

he autopsy report claimed that George died due to cardiopulmonary arrest, listing “complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” as principal factors.

As per a recent autopsy news report, George Floyd was tested positive for coronavirus.

https://thecourierdaily.com/george-floyd-criminal-past-record-arrest/20177/

[domino-710]

That is all public knowledge and has been for a week or so now.

It does not excuse an execution style arrest - ending in murder.

[icyfroth]

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@domino-710 wrote:

That is all public knowledge and has been for a week or so now.

It does not excuse an execution style arrest - ending in murder.

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Maybe so. But the office kneeling on Floyd's neck may have been unaware of FLoyd's  medical condition.

It should not have ended in death. I see it as a restrictive measure gone wrong.

So I don't see it as a "execution style" arrest, or "murder". As BLM protesters would have it.

Manslaughter, at best.

[icyfroth]

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@domino-710 wrote:

That is all public knowledge and has been for a week or so now.

Ok. So why hasn't it been posted? Or acknowledged so far?

It does not excuse an execution style arrest - ending in murder.

No. But it does throw some light on it.

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