Possible drug treatment for Covid 19 rather than vaccine

[4channel]

This could be good news for those who don't like needles

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STAT

In a major setback, Merck to stop developing its two Covid-19 vaccines and focus on therapies

By Matthew Herper @matthewherper and Helen Branswell @HelenBranswell

January 25, 2021

https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/25/in-a-major-setback-merck-to-stop-developing-its-two-covid-19-vac...

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THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Merck Scraps Covid-19 Vaccine Candidates The two shots generated comparatively weak immune responses in early-stage studies

By Jared S. Hopkins

Merck said it would now focus on advancing two experimental Covid-19 drugs.

Merck & Co. said Monday that it is halting development of its two experimental Covid-19 vaccines, after early clinical-trial data showed the shots generated disappointing immune responses against the virus.

Early-stage studies of the vaccines indicated they produced inferior immune responses in subjects given the shots compared with people who survived Covid-19 or took authorized Covid-19 vaccines, the company said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/merck-scraps-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-11611575103

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This could be good news for those who don't like needles

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Daily Mail

Top doctor urges Australians to be 'realistic' about overseas vaccine deaths because they were 'elderly people who were likely to die anyway'

• A public health expert has called on Australians to be 'realistic' about vaccines
• Epidemiologist Professor Tony Blakely, said there may be some side effects 
• But he is urging Australians to get the jab as a national ad campaign is launched 
• In Norway 33 elderly patients died after receiving a coronavirus vaccination 

By Levi Parsons For Daily Mail Australia

Published: 15:20 AEDT, 27 January 2021 | Updated: 15:20 AEDT, 27 January 2021

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9191189/Top-doctor-urges-Australians-realistic-overseas-vac...

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ABC NEWS

Is the Pfizer vaccine the culprit in the elderly deaths in Norway? It's too soon to say

ABC Health & Wellbeing

By Norman Swan and Olivia Willis

Posted MonMonday 18 JanJanuary 2021 at 5:30pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-01-18/cause-of-pfizer-covid-vaccine-norway-deaths-not-clear/...

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I'd be very interested to see how the drug trials go.

[lyndal1838]

If you are interested in the performance of the vaccines then keep an eye out for statistics from the USA.....they are currently rolling out the Moderna and Phizer vaccines. 

They are well into vaccinating the elderly now, presumably having done health workers, emergency personel etc.

[myoclon1cjerk]

"Top doctor urges Australians to be 'realistic' about overseas vaccine deaths because they were 'elderly people who were likely to die anyway'

https://youtu.be/0ts8X3HDtPE

[zanadoo_56]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
"Top doctor urges Australians to be 'realistic' about overseas vaccine deaths because they were 'elderly people who were likely to die anyway'

https://youtu.be/0ts8X3HDtPE

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I don't think my 93 year old mother would be so sanguine about that statement.

And frankly neither am I!

[4channel]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:

"Top doctor urges Australians to be 'realistic' about overseas vaccine deaths because they were 'elderly people who were likely to die anyway'

https://youtu.be/0ts8X3HDtPE

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The guy sounds a bit too scripted. If a picture of a product was shown at the end it would make a good infomercial.

Taking into account the misdiagnosed cases, false positives and deaths from other things being recorded as "Covid 19 death". one must wonder. It should also be noted that ventilator treatment is not the right move for some folks.

How many folks could have avoided intensive care if the below treatment was utilised?

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Re: coronavirus vaccine, who should get it first?

in reply to 4channel

on ‎11-29-2020 08:34 PM

@rogespeed wrote:

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@4channel wrote:
Well, best to look at promoting good health and well-being before considering a rush vaccine pushed out by a greed-driven Big Pharma.

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for those that do not need immediate hospitalisation

‘Only a one in 17 billion chance hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work’: medical professor (msn.com)

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/coronavirus-vaccine-who-should-get-it-first/m-p/23...

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Better link here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdsAVTkSDhM

[4channel]

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@4channel wrote:
Well, best to look at promoting good health and well-being before considering a rush vaccine pushed out by a greed-driven Big Pharma.

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for those that do not need immediate hospitalisation

‘Only a one in 17 billion chance hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work’: medical professor (msn.com)

[davewil1964]

How many folks could have avoided intensive care if the below treatment was utilised?

None? Even your orange hero resiled from his support of it.

I realise that actual medically qualified personnel are tarred with your Big Pharma conspiracy, but you really have to think about the consequences of your advocation.

If even ONE person dies from following your advice, what would your reaction be?

I'm thinking something along the lines of 'I'm only a messenger', 'I didn't explicitly tell them to take it', 'I only post things, I don't believe them', 'I believe them but everybody knows I don't have a grasp on reality'.

All, I guess.

[4channel]

@4channel wrote:

How many folks could have avoided intensive care if the below treatment was utilised?

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@davewil1964 wrOte:

How many folks could have avoided intensive care if the below treatment was utilised?

None? Even your orange hero resiled from his support of it.

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It does not surprise me that you have cfome to this thread to reply / ?  to what I have said.

First of all you know very well Trump is not my hero. I have said on multiple times that I find him to be disgusting, a megolmaniac fool and a phoney. That's my opinion.

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@davewil1964 wrOte:

I realise that actual medically qualified personnel are tarred with your Big Pharma conspiracy, but you really have to think about the consequences of your advocation.

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Most doctors I respect. They have nothing to do with any possible profit driven agendas of Big Pharma. They have nothing to do with what may go on. I still trust many doctors.

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@davewil1964 wrOte:

If even ONE person dies from following your advice, what would your reaction be?

I'm thinking something along the lines of 'I'm only a messenger', 'I didn't explicitly tell them to take it', 'I only post things, I don't believe them', 'I believe them but everybody knows I don't have a grasp on reality'.

All, I guess.

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I do not give any medical advice to please do not try that angle on !!. FYI, anyone that goes the route of hydroxychlorquine treatment can only do so under medical supervision and have any medication  dispensed by a proper pharmaceutical dispensary aka chemist.

My belief personally is that any such treatment should only be done via  medical supervision. I totally support that as well.

The only advice that I would ever give to people is stay healthy, exxcercise,  don't drink too much booze, eat food that is nutritious for good day to day living.

[countessalmirena]

4channel,

A family member is on hydroxychloroquine as part of ongoing medical treatment for a particular condition.

I would not expose that family member to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

However, I do not entirely rule out the possibility that hydroxychloroquine may have some benefit in the ongoing global battle against the pandemic. A relatively recent study concluded that ❝randomized clinical trials, in cohorts of healthy outpatients, can safely investigate whether hydroxychloroquine is efficacious for COVID-19.❞ This does not mean that trials have demonstrated that it is effective against COVID-19, nor does it mean that it poses no danger to immuno-compromised persons, ill persons, etc.

Any studies - sound studies, not fringe trials or those not properly designed and conducted - that are trying combinations and different doses and various different types of treatments against this contagious and destructive disease should give us more information about what might work, for whom, and under what circumstances. I applaud the ongoing work.

[4channel]

"Fringe trials" lol.

Anyway, we're talking about early stage treatment ok. Well now, anyway, for the majority of people, it has been effective. Those with certain existing health issues may have to take a different route.

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Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly in COVID-19 Patients, Henry Ford Health System Study Shows

July 02, 2020

DETROIT – Treatment with hydroxychloroquine cut the death rate significantly in sick patients hospitalized with COVID-19 – and without heart-related side-effects, according to a new study published by Henry Ford Health System.

In a large-scale retrospective analysis of 2,541 patients hospitalized between March 10 and May 2, 2020 across the system’s six hospitals, the study found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died compared to 26.4% not treated with hydroxychloroquine. None of the patients had documented serious heart abnormalities; however, patients were monitored for a heart condition routinely pointed to as a reason to avoid the drug as a treatment for COVID-19

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

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‘Only a one in 17 billion chance hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work’: medical professor

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•Nov 29, 2020

Sky News Australia

1.18M subscribers

Hydroxychloroquine really works says Professor of Medicine Dr Peter McCullough, describing the treatment as “the most widely used therapeutic” to treat COVID-19 in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdsAVTkSDhM

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It may be an idea to keep up with Dr. Peter McCullough and see what else is going to be used.

For those folk who won't benefit from Hydrox or are unsuitable to be treated with it, let's see what developments take place with these two new drugs that Merck will be putting their energy in to.

[lalbo-81]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

If you are interested in the performance of the vaccines then keep an eye out for statistics from the USA.....they are currently rolling out the Moderna and Phizer vaccines. 

They are well into vaccinating the elderly now, presumably having done health workers, emergency personel etc.

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It varies from state to state, even from county to county within each state, sine there IS no national plan yet. President Biden's got a new team together so things can be standardized, I was very grateful to hear that. I'm on a waiting list of seniors who are willing to wait until ALL of our county first responders and most of the essential workers are vaccinated, so probably mid March for me. 

  So far there has been very little in the way of bad side effects, besides a sore arm, and a day of feeling wonky after the second dose. My son& DIL( the 2 in the public medical field) got their second shots on Monday, felt "fluish" on tuesday and fine yesterday and today.