coronavirus vaccine, who should get it first?

when a coronavirus vaccine is available who should be first in line?

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@rogespeed wrote:


 

I believe some of the vaccines are of a method that are first time developed  

 

One question I have is why is it not 100% effective and for failed cases exactly why ? 

 

If we have virtually eradicated the pest , why are we so rah rah about mass national inoculation , when we could wait and evaluate results in more desperate countries where using fast tracked for approval status vaccines is an acceptable and welcome risk ?

 

I suppose to answer myself is to welcome millions of contaminated and sickly tourists 

 

 


I am not aware of any vaccine that is 100% effective. The flu vaccine as an example is 40 - 60% effective. There are many reasons why, but a main reason has to do with some people's autoimmune system. It is more that this small percentage of people cannot develop the antibodies because of a deficiency in their AI System. The vaccine may be totally effective in people with healthy or normal AI functioning, but unfortunately not for them.

 

I don't think it would be a good idea to regard the virus as "virtually eradicated" in Australia. We are hearing every other day that it being found in places, such as sewage water. Also, the virus is only confirmed in people who are tested. Goodness knows how many people have had or do have the virus, but are avoiding being tested. It is still lurking out there.

 

And yes, you have answered your own question about "mass national inoculation" in your last sentence. We can't remain isolated near the bottom of the world forever!

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@*tippy*toes* wrote:

I am VERY PRO vax. I will stick my arm out for whatever is going. I work in health care. I DO NOT want this vaccine, as vaccines take years to develop and test. This vaccine is coming out way too quckly. However, working in health, I fear I will be forced to have it.

 

I want a vaccine that is tried and tested over lots of years. I don't want something that fast tracked and rushed, like this one is.


You are right.   This one won't have been tested for long enough.  But we are stuck between a rock and a hard place imo.  To me it's very much a fingers crossed exercise.  I understand at this stage it will be voluntary in Australia and I honestly don't know if I would have it or not.  

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It's more that the testing has been sped up. But to my knowledge the sample numbers and time frames etc are in compliance with international standards. Australia has one of the most vigorous and strictest vaccine approval processes in the world. I really doubt the Government would approve a vaccine if our health agencies had concerns.

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

 

I am not aware of any vaccine that is 100% effective. The flu vaccine as an example is 40 - 60% effective. There are many reasons why, but a main reason has to do with some people's autoimmune system. It is more that this small percentage of people cannot develop the antibodies because of a deficiency in their AI System. The vaccine may be totally effective in people with healthy or normal AI functioning, but unfortunately not for them.

 

I don't think it would be a good idea to regard the virus as "virtually eradicated" in Australia. We are hearing every other day that it being found in places, such as sewage water. Also, the virus is only confirmed in people who are tested. Goodness knows how many people have had or do have the virus, but are avoiding being tested. It is still lurking out there.

 

And yes, you have answered your own question about "mass national inoculation" in your last sentence. We can't remain isolated near the bottom of the world forever!


The who thought process with this needs to be changed as far as our so-called leadership is concerned.  There needs to be more energy put into researching better treatment. There also needs to me a mass education of the public about good health and nutrition

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@*tippy*toes* wrote:

I am VERY PRO vax. I will stick my arm out for whatever is going. I work in health care. I DO NOT want this vaccine, as vaccines take years to develop and test. This vaccine is coming out way too quckly. However, working in health, I fear I will be forced to have it.

 

I want a vaccine that is tried and tested over lots of years. I don't want something that fast tracked and rushed, like this one is.


@bright.ton42 wrote:

 

You are right.   This one won't have been tested for long enough.  But we are stuck between a rock and a hard place imo.  To me it's very much a fingers crossed exercise.  I understand at this stage it will be voluntary in Australia and I honestly don't know if I would have it or not.  


Profit craving takes over concern for the welfare of the people. Legallised drug peddlers can be just as immoral as illegal ones.

 

 



t TRUTHOUT   Before COVID-19, Big Pharma Was Neglecting Vaccine and Antiviral Research

After reaching a new low in consumer confidence last year, thanks to public anger over rising drug prices, the pharmaceutical industry’s reputation is on the rise as researchers worldwide rush to develop a vaccine for the novel coronavirus. A new national poll finds that the COVID-19 pandemic has benefited the industry’s public image, with 40 percent of respondents saying they have a more positive view of private drug companies than before the outbreak.

 

However, public health experts have warned for years that the world is at risk of a major pandemic, and advocates say Big Pharma showed little interest in developing vaccines – or even antibiotic and antiviral medications — until the latest outbreak offered an opportunity to rake in public funding and turn out massive profits with minimal risk.


 

https://truthout.org/articles/before-covid-19-big-pharma-was-neglecting-vaccine-and-antiviral-resear...

 

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ScienceMag.org
 
 
Hidden conflicts? Pharma payments to FDA advisers after drug approvals spark ethical concerns
 
STEPHAN SCHMITZ
Hidden conflicts? Pharma payments to FDA advisers after drug approvals spark ethical concerns

 

 https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-app...

 


A  Rush Job + Hunger for Profit not going to be good for the people.Good for someone else though!

 

 

 

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@4channel wrote:

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@*tippy*toes* wrote:

I am VERY PRO vax. I will stick my arm out for whatever is going. I work in health care. I DO NOT want this vaccine, as vaccines take years to develop and test. This vaccine is coming out way too quckly. However, working in health, I fear I will be forced to have it.

 

I want a vaccine that is tried and tested over lots of years. I don't want something that fast tracked and rushed, like this one is.


@bright.ton42 wrote:

 

You are right.   This one won't have been tested for long enough.  But we are stuck between a rock and a hard place imo.  To me it's very much a fingers crossed exercise.  I understand at this stage it will be voluntary in Australia and I honestly don't know if I would have it or not.  


Profit craving takes over concern for the welfare of the people. Legallised drug peddlers can be just as immoral as illegal ones.

 

 



t TRUTHOUT   Before COVID-19, Big Pharma Was Neglecting Vaccine and Antiviral Research

After reaching a new low in consumer confidence last year, thanks to public anger over rising drug prices, the pharmaceutical industry’s reputation is on the rise as researchers worldwide rush to develop a vaccine for the novel coronavirus. A new national poll finds that the COVID-19 pandemic has benefited the industry’s public image, with 40 percent of respondents saying they have a more positive view of private drug companies than before the outbreak.

 

However, public health experts have warned for years that the world is at risk of a major pandemic, and advocates say Big Pharma showed little interest in developing vaccines – or even antibiotic and antiviral medications — until the latest outbreak offered an opportunity to rake in public funding and turn out massive profits with minimal risk.


 

https://truthout.org/articles/before-covid-19-big-pharma-was-neglecting-vaccine-and-antiviral-resear...

 

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ScienceMag.org
 
 
Hidden conflicts? Pharma payments to FDA advisers after drug approvals spark ethical concerns
 
STEPHAN SCHMITZ
Hidden conflicts? Pharma payments to FDA advisers after drug approvals spark ethical concerns

 

 https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-app...

 


A  Rush Job + Hunger for Profit not going to be good for the people.Good for someone else though!

 

 

 


hence my previous consideration : first inline for vaccines : " Vaccine developemt & manufacturer employees including management , then any share holders in the company , then those that approve the vaccine , then Doctors and nurses who administer the vaccine - and no fudging using placebos... "  

 

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@rogespeed wrote:

@4channel wrote:

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@*tippy*toes* wrote:

I am VERY PRO vax. I will stick my arm out for whatever is going. I work in health care. I DO NOT want this vaccine, as vaccines take years to develop and test. This vaccine is coming out way too quckly. However, working in health, I fear I will be forced to have it.

 

I want a vaccine that is tried and tested over lots of years. I don't want something that fast tracked and rushed, like this one is.


@bright.ton42 wrote:

 

You are right.   This one won't have been tested for long enough.  But we are stuck between a rock and a hard place imo.  To me it's very much a fingers crossed exercise.  I understand at this stage it will be voluntary in Australia and I honestly don't know if I would have it or not.  


Profit craving takes over concern for the welfare of the people. Legallised drug peddlers can be just as immoral as illegal ones.

 

 



t TRUTHOUT   Before COVID-19, Big Pharma Was Neglecting Vaccine and Antiviral Research

After reaching a new low in consumer confidence last year, thanks to public anger over rising drug prices, the pharmaceutical industry’s reputation is on the rise as researchers worldwide rush to develop a vaccine for the novel coronavirus. A new national poll finds that the COVID-19 pandemic has benefited the industry’s public image, with 40 percent of respondents saying they have a more positive view of private drug companies than before the outbreak.

 

However, public health experts have warned for years that the world is at risk of a major pandemic, and advocates say Big Pharma showed little interest in developing vaccines – or even antibiotic and antiviral medications — until the latest outbreak offered an opportunity to rake in public funding and turn out massive profits with minimal risk.


 

https://truthout.org/articles/before-covid-19-big-pharma-was-neglecting-vaccine-and-antiviral-resear...

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 
ScienceMag.org
 
 
Hidden conflicts? Pharma payments to FDA advisers after drug approvals spark ethical concerns
 
STEPHAN SCHMITZ
Hidden conflicts? Pharma payments to FDA advisers after drug approvals spark ethical concerns

 

 https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-app...

 


A  Rush Job + Hunger for Profit not going to be good for the people.Good for someone else though!

 

 

 


hence my previous consideration : first inline for vaccines : " Vaccine developemt & manufacturer employees including management , then any share holders in the company , then those that approve the vaccine , then Doctors and nurses who administer the vaccine - and no fudging using placebos... "  

 


However reality is that something considered safe needs to be quickly dispenced - and within the next 2 months latest 

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Well, best to look at promoting good health and well-being before considering a rush vaccine pushed out by a greed-driven Big Pharma.
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@4channel wrote:
Well, best to look at promoting good health and well-being before considering a rush vaccine pushed out by a greed-driven Big Pharma.

for those that do not need immediate hospitalisation

 

‘Only a one in 17 billion chance hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work’: medical professor (msn.com)

 

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@4channel wrote:
Well, best to look at promoting good health and well-being before considering a rush vaccine pushed out by a greed-driven Big Pharma.

@rogespeed wrote:

 

for those that do not need immediate hospitalisation

 

‘Only a one in 17 billion chance hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work’: medical professor (msn.com)

 


Thanks and this spells criminal negligence. I watched it. It is also on YouTube. I'm not a fan of Sky News but this is fact!

 


 

 

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