Protecting children from things adult and improper. Where should the boundaries be?

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Protecting children from things adult and improper. Where should the boundaries be?

Today children are exposed to things that 20 years ago were unheard of. As time creeps on we see more and more things that challenge belief. In film and on television, extremely violent imagery is such an accepted and major part of entertainment that some cannot enjoy a film or program unless it is violent.

In what passes for music, the lyrics are more explicit and sexually laden than they ever were. A great deal of the video clips that appear on television would be considered pornography once upon a time. Other forms of music such as some rap have lyrics about killing people, guns and putting down women in the worst possible way.

Something that would be laughed off as impossible years ago, children before they can even walk properly are now exposed to adult entertainers such as drag queens as part of some supposed education or enlightenment program. Some of these drag queens have names of male and female genitalia. Some have names that relate to sexual scents and arousal. Some even have gone as far as doing stripping routines, twerking, teaching twerking, and  other blatant sexually suggestive behaviour. They are even reading childrens stories that are an alternative to the male and female relationships or the birth genders..

Children are playing violent video games which are much more graphic and interactive than what they were in the past. Many are not interested in a video game unless it is violent. They can play for hours and hours on these games, either connected to their own source or a source that is online. Some of the games are so violent that some adults are sickened to the degree that they refuse to even talk about it. Others that do find it almost impossible to comprehend.

* Where should the boundaries be set or where should they have been set?

* What effect is this having on children today?

* How will things be in ten or twenty years time?

[lovemykids64]

i cant stand Kevin Rudd but then again i cant stand either liberal or labor party anymore.  Wont be voting for either of them they are all leftist.  Not so sure if scott is a christian either.  Things coming out his mouth is communism if you ask me.

[katistrophik]

TOPIC - WHAT TOPIC ?

[the_great_she_elephant]

lovemykids64 wrote: Things coming out his mouth is communism if you ask me.

It has been said that the only place you can find true communism is in a convent or a monastery - and you can't get much more Christian than that.

[countessalmirena]

It really is off-topic, I suppose... but in my view, Christianity begins and is completed with one thing: love יהוה.

The rest is detail.

Back to the topic...

In terms of raising children, the primary objectives are to keep the children safe from dangers, provide what is physically and emotionally necessary for them, educate and equip the children for life, discipline the children so that they understand bad behaviour has consequences (see Jo Frost's Toddler Rules for one particular book that deals with sensible and loving discipline), spend effective time with the children (not time during which the parent is boredly iPad-surfing, for instance), and provide a good role model.

There isn't a hard and fast rule for being a good role model. People from different beliefs and backgrounds and their own experience and views will have individual ideas of what constitutes a good role model. At the very least, it's about being law-abiding, making ethical and moral choices, not being alcohol- or drug-dependent, not being violent or angry, not being abusive. I add things such as being mentally open to learning and a few other individual choices.

Interactive time with one's children is pivotal. There is no substitute for that. I'm not a tremendous advocate of home-schooling although I think in some cases it can and does work - but ideally one wants a teacher with specialist knowledge providing the teaching, and equally ideally one wants other children to be part of the child's social learning experience growing up. How can a child learn to make decisions and be emotionally strong and adaptive and empathetic and resistant to bad influence if the child is kept away from the experience to develop those skills? It must be extraordinarily difficult for children who are home-schooled for much of their educational lives. Perhaps there are ways for parents to include that; it would be interesting to get some feedback on that.

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@lovemykids64 wrote:

i cant stand Kevin Rudd but then again i cant stand either liberal or labor party anymore.  Wont be voting for either of them they are all leftist.  Not so sure if scott is a christian either.  Things coming out his mouth is communism if you ask me.

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I can't say that I fully agree with you. Well,  I suppose I do in part and I certainly know where you're coming from. I actually heard the same thing from a company director years ago but he used the term socialism instead.  And there are many people who  would nod their heads in agreement with what you have said.

Yes, we'll obviously disagree on Kevin Rudd and that's fine. I respect your view there and I can understand why. There are both sides to the argument about how he has acted and what effect he has had on the Australian education system.  I won't go into that.  He has disappointed me some. Regardless, I still have a liking for the guy.

What the government does has an effect on the education system and what is taught. That being the case, what you have said fits right in with this subject.  Some parents have taken their kids out of school and opted for home schooling for reasons other than what other parents have done.  Some parents protect their children from what they may be exposed to by their peers. Some parents obviously have concerns about what kids are taught. Not all of them are Christians either. So they are "Protecting their  children" from certain things.

I know of great moralistic, caring , decent people who have come through the public education system. Their parents have worked hard to do what is right and protect them from bad influences. I'm not saying that homeschooling is the be all end all and I can see you're not either. It's just an option that may be the best in certain cases.

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@countessalmirena wrote:

It really is off-topic, I suppose... but in my view, Christianity begins and is completed with one thing: love יהוה.

The rest is detail.

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Yes it is about love. It's also about guidance for day to day living for many. Interpreted correctly it is.

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@countessalmirena wrote:

Back to the topic...

In terms of raising children, the primary objectives are to keep the children safe from dangers, provide what is physically and emotionally necessary for them, educate and equip the children for life, discipline the children so that they understand bad behaviour has consequences (see Jo Frost's Toddler Rules for one particular book that deals with sensible and loving discipline), spend effective time with the children (not time during which the parent is boredly iPad-surfing, for instance), and provide a good role model.

There isn't a hard and fast rule for being a good role model. People from different beliefs and backgrounds and their own experience and views will have individual ideas of what constitutes a good role model. At the very least, it's about being law-abiding, making ethical and moral choices, not being alcohol- or drug-dependent, not being violent or angry, not being abusive. I add things such as being mentally open to learning and a few other individual choices.

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Sadly today, the interpretation of what is dangerous and what is a good role model has changed. I have seen some of Jo Frost and some not all though of what she has implemented I agree with. There has been a successful end result.

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@countessalmirena wrote:

Interactive time with one's children is pivotal. There is no substitute for that. I'm not a tremendous advocate of home-schooling although I think in some cases it can and does work - but ideally one wants a teacher with specialist knowledge providing the teaching, and equally ideally one wants other children to be part of the child's social learning experience growing up. How can a child learn to make decisions and be emotionally strong and adaptive and empathetic and resistant to bad influence if the child is kept away from the experience to develop those skills? It must be extraordinarily difficult for children who are home-schooled for much of their educational lives. Perhaps there are ways for parents to include that; it would be interesting to get some feedback on that.

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The dilemma that some parents who choose homeschooling is the minimizing of social interaction. This can be rectified (if really needed) in certain ways by involving children in sports, family gatherings, church activities, musical tuition, clubs etc. etc.

What a child may miss out on with specialist teaching it can possibly make up for in other ways.

Today kids are sending each other porn pics etc on mobiles, recording school yard fights, bringing alcohol and drugs to school, being recruited into gangs etc.. Some parents who have chosen to send their children to a costly private school, thinking they're getting them away from the bad stuff have found it to be worse there.

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@kh_stanely

Locking or removing would be good - rehashing done to death topics seem to be a habit for some

[4channel]

I am all for sensible discussion. This thread here has to be given a fair chance. There isn't a thread like it elsewhere in the forum. Well, not in recent times. Only one component is about drag queens. As you can see the conversation between myself and a couple of other members is now touching on home-schooling and the reasons why some parents do it.  

The title is "Protecting children from things adult and improper. Where should the boundaries be?".

Given a fair chance, I have no doubt the topic will touch on other reasons why parents want to protect their children and methods of protection used.

Debate is healthy and good and this is what a forum like this should be about.

[4channel]

Another aspect of the many things to navigate through.

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Children everywhere are gaining access to the internet – most often via a mobile phone. In many places, too, parents are feeling challenged in their competence, role and authority. Distinctively, internet access is bringing children access also to valued sources of knowledge and connection that their parents may lack. How are parents responding?

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