Public Vs Private Schools

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http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/private-school-education-has-little-effect-on-a-childs-ac...

IF YOU are a parent weighing up the benefits of an expensive private school education over the public school system, take note. It makes no difference.

According to a new national study - the first of its kind in Australia - the birthweight, the amount of time a mother spends with her child and the educational levels of both parents contributes more to a child’s overall success at school rather than the institution.

Don't you feel a bit chuffed that you didn't waste your money sending your kid to a private school. 

[lyndal1838]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

, it would appear the government selective schools do far better than the so called top private schools.  

That is because Govt Selective schools only accept top students - based on their results in pre-entry tests.

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So do many of the private schools.  Government selective schools also accept problem children that have been expelled from other schools

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How do you know this Donna?   Do you know a problem child that has attended a seletive school?

Most of the top private schools have entry exams and only accept the top students.

[donnashuggy]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

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@donnashuggy wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

, it would appear the government selective schools do far better than the so called top private schools.  

That is because Govt Selective schools only accept top students - based on their results in pre-entry tests.

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So do many of the private schools.  Government selective schools also accept problem children that have been expelled from other schools

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How do you know this Donna?   Do you know a problem child that has attended a seletive school?

Most of the top private schools have entry exams and only accept the top students.

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I said the Government selective schools do. Many private schools have entry exams is exactly what I was saying.

[donnashuggy]

Or should I say with a selective stream, those that are on waiting lists for Sydney Boys/Girls.

[lyndal1838]

So do you know a problem student that has attended Sydney Girls or Boys High?

[donnashuggy]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

So do you know a problem student that has attended Sydney Girls or Boys High?

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No however my daughters school which has a selective stream accepts plenty of them. They have to.

[lyndal1838]

But the point is do any of them actually get into a selective high school?

There is a huge difference between problem children in a primary school and a high school.

I know that problem children were never accepted at Sydney High when I was there in the late 50s/early 60s, nor when my daughter was there in the early 80s.

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My daughter went to private schools for the first 3 years.  To start with she went to Rudolf Steiner school for about a year, and the only reason was that I did not lie the local state school.  I did actually go in to enroll her but the moment I walked through the gates my heart just sunk; it was all bitumen with one little sickly tree, as I arrived just after 9am, the kids were being marched around and screamed at by the headmistress for fidgeting.  Great way to teach kids to hate school and dislike teachers right from the start.  There was no way I was going to send my daughter there, and the Steiner school was the nearest alternative.  After that we moved, and practically next door was a little private school based on A.S.Neil's Summerhill, so she went there  for almost 2 years until we moved again.  Then she went to state schools with great teachers. 

But that was almost 40 years ago.  Nowadays schools came a long way from what they were in those times, and operate in similar way to those alternative schools my daughter went to.

Both of the alternative schools had number of problematic kids who "normal" schools did not want.  But school like the Steiner could cope with due to the student teacher ratio.  They had 20 kids in the combined peps 1st grade group with 3 teachers.  For the older kids the ratio was 1 teacher to 6 kids.  Sometimes classes would be combined, and so there was always somebody available to take aside a problematic child and engage them in some activity.

[donnashuggy]

But the point is do any of them actually get into a selective high school?

I was simply raising the point that selective government schools do accept problem children including those that have been expelled from other schools. They must as children must go to school. My youngest is in year 11 now but was in the selective stream in previous years, plenty of bright annoying kids as well as not so bright. It makes for a healthy mix. They had better results in their HSC than Waverley College last year and have plenty of high achievers along with a fabulous special needs program.

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

you forgot to mention the study refers to primary

school children only.

and of course - another study showed private school

kids were more likely to complete yr 12 and are more

likely to attend australia's most prestigeous universities.  

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Once at uni, state educated children do better at uni, and are more likely to complete their degree than private educated kids.

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From another study.....

"The general finding is that graduates of non-elite and co-educational schools do better at university than graduates of socially and

academically elite and single-sex schools who achieved the same tertiary entrance score."