Rational suicide:

Beverley Broadbent was not dying of a terminal illness, nor was she depressed or unhappy. But at 83, she wanted to die.


After living a rich and satisfying life, the Brighton East woman said the ageing process had come to feel like a disease that was robbing her of her physical and mental fitness. In February, she said she had had enough.


 


''I look well and I walk well so people think I'm fine. But I have so many things wrong with me,'' she said. ''The balance is gone. It's taking so much time for me to keep fit to enjoy myself that there's not enough time to enjoy myself.''


 


In several interviews with Fairfax Media, Ms Broadbent said she planned to take her own life so she could have a peaceful, dignified death. She said she did not want her health to deteriorate to the point where she had dementia or found herself in a nursing home with no way out.


 


The environmental activist chose to tell her story because she believed many elderly people wanted to die when they felt their life was complete, but lacked the means to go gently.




Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/rational-suicide-why-beverley-broadbent-chose-to-die-20130401-2h34...


 


 


 




Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/rational-suicide-why-beverley-broadbent-chose-to-die-20130401-2h34...

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How would an older person ensure they were gone from the world before dementia snuck up on them?


 


Obviously here is no way to ensure that with 100% certainty, but it happened then the decision (if it were allowable) would have to be made by somebody else and that would be euthanasia not  rational suicide.


 

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Really?


 


Are people who are depressed able to weigh up all their options? Are people who see no end to their isolation and loneliness able to weigh up all their options? Are people living with pain able to think rationally? Take away a persons pain through better pain management and I suspect they'd be better able to 'weigh up' their options.


 


Bob, you think another persons pain is none of anyone's business?


 


We are not individual islands living in a vast ocean. All living creatures are connected. We, as the human race, have the ability to help other human beings. It's called compassion.


 


Of course another person's pain is my business and I'll do what I can. As a collective we can change the problems people suffer so they can see life as a gift, so they can feel they belong, so they can feel they have something to contribute.


 


If someone was about to jump off a bridge, would you really say to them "ok I'm going to let you jump, I'll even watch, because it's your life and it's none of my business".


 


 


 



 


I agree with Crikey and Bob. I understand what you are saying Cat but not everyone's lives are meaningful. In a perfect world all that you have said above would be fine. But, it's not a perfect world and some people struggle through each day just trying to survive. People get tired of the struggle for whatever reason. And loneliness, to me, is just as much a reason as a debilitating disease. Being lonely and not having loved ones in your life is extremely painful and difficult. And not everyone wants strangers in their lives. Not everyone sees life as a gift. Just my take on it.


 


Like She-ele said. I truly believe it is the person's decision and has nothing to do with anyone else.

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what other obligations do I have to fulfill if I really just don't want to be here anymore..


 


I don't know why you see life as a series of obligations to fulfil. 


 


Do you wish your children to have children? Would you not be interested in being part of your grandchildren's lives and later great-grandchildren? Don't you think if your kids did have children they would want their Grandma to be around to see them grow up?


 


I think if your life goes well so far in 10 years time and you don't suffer any major illnesses/debilitation, then to not to want to be here anymore at that stage would be a sign of unhappiness or depression.


 


 


 

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I haven't read the link and I am only going by what Cat-mioux posted about the reasons for this person's decision to end her life and I personally know of many people who wish they had the life she had when she decided it was no longer worth living.   Again I have to agree with Cat when she talks about the need for media attention.  I wouldn't be able to support such a decision under those circumstances.   Who decides that life is precious and its a gift?  It just is.

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How would an older person ensure they were gone from the world before dementia snuck up on them?


 


Obviously here is no way to ensure that with 100% certainty, but it happened then the decision (if it were allowable) would have to be made by somebody else and that would be euthanasia not  rational suicide.


 



 


As euthanasia is assisted suicide there is no guarantee that anyone will assist you in your wish (should it be legal).


 


The point I am trying to make I suppose is even though people may plan or have the intention of taking the rational suicide option it may not turn out that that is possible.


 


The example given in the OP was a single woman, with no relatives I think someone posted.


No-one will be outraged,dissapointed she took that option. May not have been the case if she had children, neices and nephews. Even though you say it is none of their business it would still affect their lives.


 

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In a perfect world all that you have said above would be fine. But, it's not a perfect world and some people struggle through each day just trying to survive. People get tired of the struggle for whatever reason. And loneliness, to me, is just as much a reason as a debilitating disease.


 


That would mean homeless people, long term unemployed (unhappy because they can't find work & earn a reasonable income), addicts who can't kick their habit and live a fairly rough life, intellectually disabled people who can't live independently in society, people with diseases such as muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis,  would fit in the criteria above - people struggling through each day trying to survive - should they all take the rational suicide option? no matter what age they are?


 

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what other obligations do I have to fulfill if I really just don't want to be here anymore..


 


I don't know why you see life as a series of obligations to fulfil. 


 


Do you wish your children to have children? Would you not be interested in being part of your grandchildren's lives and later great-grandchildren? Don't you think if your kids did have children they would want their Grandma to be around to see them grow up?


 


I think if your life goes well so far in 10 years time and you don't suffer any major illnesses/debilitation, then to not to want to be here anymore at that stage would be a sign of unhappiness or depression.


 


 


 



 


well, I don't - not as far as my kids are concerned at least - but the fact is, I made the decision to bring them into this world, so it really is my obligation to make sure they get a good shot at life iykwim - I don't consider it to be an obligation per se - I love them and love doing stuff with them and for them - but as a parent. my job is not complete until they are ready for and established in the big wide world.


 


Dunno about the grandkid bit - it's not something I fantacize about though - maybe that will change? But there you go again, you expect a person to hang around because it's what someone else expects or wants them to do.


 


Can't help what you think. *shrugs* sorry. If in 10 years time I'm suffering from depression or unhappiness then should I choose to die, it would not be rational suicide, would it?


Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
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what if none of my kids have kids of their own?


 


should I just hang around until they're 50 just in case they decide that's what they want?


Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
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In a perfect world all that you have said above would be fine. But, it's not a perfect world and some people struggle through each day just trying to survive. People get tired of the struggle for whatever reason. And loneliness, to me, is just as much a reason as a debilitating disease.


 


That would mean homeless people, long term unemployed (unhappy because they can't find work & earn a reasonable income), addicts who can't kick their habit and live a fairly rough life, intellectually disabled people who can't live independently in society, people with diseases such as muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis,  would fit in the criteria above - people struggling through each day trying to survive - should they all take the rational suicide option? no matter what age they are?


 



 


That's not what I said. I said that to be lonely is just as much a reason as any other. Again, it's up to the individual. Some people take their own lives because of money worries. Some because their hearts have been broken. Some because they see no reason to go on. Each and every one of us would have our own reasons. You imply that I'm saying anyone with issues would fit the criteria. It's not what I said at all.

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In a perfect world all that you have said above would be fine. But, it's not a perfect world and some people struggle through each day just trying to survive. People get tired of the struggle for whatever reason. And loneliness, to me, is just as much a reason as a debilitating disease.


 


That would mean homeless people, long term unemployed (unhappy because they can't find work & earn a reasonable income), addicts who can't kick their habit and live a fairly rough life, intellectually disabled people who can't live independently in society, people with diseases such as muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis,  would fit in the criteria above - people struggling through each day trying to survive - should they all take the rational suicide option? no matter what age they are?


 



 


Am, Anyone can commit suicide, there is no law against it. Whether anyone should or not is entirely up to them, and unless I know them personally and understand why they have made that decision I am not in a position to say whether they should  shouldn't do it.

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