Refugees in Germany

[kilroy_is_here]

do the refugees in Germany not realise that they are playing with fire , by aggressively flooding Germany's boarders and acting up once there , do they not realise that they are playing into the hands of the Neo nazi's, do they not remember history , ifear for the world if the average German be comes disenfranchised and angry as the nazi movement is long way from dead. History has shown and continues to show that what has been before can be again

[debra9275]

how can it possibly be 96% economic?? have you seen what Syria looks like??  what do you suggest the people from there do? hang around and wait to be killed by bombs?

Much like the illegal immigrant girl on Nauru who told a journalist "we paid for Australia and that's what we want"

what girl said that and to what journalist?

[bluecat*dancing]

Two separate issues. Both extremely important.Anytime anything is posted here about the Indigenous peoples, it always results in very similar ignorant argumentsas those used by the same people in regards to asylum seekers and refugees. What have you done to assist the Aboriginal people? Nothing? Why don't you start a thread about it? This thread is about the asylum seekers in Germany.

Strawman.

Oh, and I hope that you and your ilk are right about the asylum seekers and the refugees under our goverment's protection. I would love to be proven wrong. I would love to find out that they have been treated humanely and not like criminals. I would love to know that there have been no murders, no suicides, no rapes, no child abuse, no medical and pyschological neglect, no self harm, no bullying and that they have been living in the land of milk and honey. Until, you are proven correct, I'll listen to those with first hand knowledge who actually know what they are talking about. The government's lack of transparency is a double-edged sword. This will be our shame. It already is our shame, but once people can speak without fear of being jailed or loss of employment, then it will be more so.

It is not a crime to seek asylum. That is law. You may not like it but that's how it is. You obviously do not understand the ins and outs of asylum seekers and refugees, however,the majority of people do.

[moonflyte]

You keep on  about it being legal to seek immunity..... But and a very big but  you blindly ignore is, it is illegal to pay a

trafficker to transport you to a country to illegally gain entry.

 As for me and my work with indiginous people, I wont discuss, that, suffice to say  it has been  a very big part of my life’s work.

No clothes and  how’s Stockholm?

[moonflyte]

They are young fit men sent on ahead to Germany to gain refugee status and once they get it they then bring their whole family and extended family.

They are called anchor boys, they are duping the authorities and lying to further their aims.

[moonflyte]

The journalist who had full authority and free access to all.

[2015ausprit]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

Lebanese minister warns of IS fighters posing as refugees

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/29528394/lebanese-minister-warns-of-is-fighters-posing-as-refuge...

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According to a Russian up to 4 Divisions could have gone in.Europe needs to go through this.Sweden and others countries that had a bleeding heart mentality have lost their country and culture.It is gone.Still people say thaqt anyone that speaks out is rascist.

Europe need to be under attack so they can finally see what is going on.

Australian police still have not found 10 rocket launchers.They went into the hands of that elomar character.I suppose sooner of later they will be used here by madmen islamics and then the usual suspects will say we are paranoid and rascist.

The people running the world are doing this on purpose to break down society.They need a world war to bring in total control for the NWO.

They will get it but it wont work out as they think.

[2015ausprit]

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@bluecat*slowdancing wrote:

Two separate issues. Both extremely important.Anytime anything is posted here about the Indigenous peoples, it always results in very similar ignorant argumentsas those used by the same people in regards to asylum seekers and refugees. What have you done to assist the Aboriginal people? Nothing? Why don't you start a thread about it? This thread is about the asylum seekers in Germany.

Strawman.

Oh, and I hope that you and your ilk are right about the asylum seekers and the refugees under our goverment's protection. I would love to be proven wrong. I would love to find out that they have been treated humanely and not like criminals. I would love to know that there have been no murders, no suicides, no rapes, no child abuse, no medical and pyschological neglect, no self harm, no bullying and that they have been living in the land of milk and honey. Until, you are proven correct, I'll listen to those with first hand knowledge who actually know what they are talking about. The government's lack of transparency is a double-edged sword. This will be our shame. It already is our shame, but once people can speak without fear of being jailed or loss of employment, then it will be more so.

It is not a crime to seek asylum. That is law. You may not like it but that's how it is. You obviously do not understand the ins and outs of asylum seekers and refugees, however,the majority of people do.

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It is not a crime to seek asylum.However it is unlawful to bypass a safe country.The law says you must seek asylum in the first safe country tyou come to.OH I FORGOT! Indonesia doesnt have an attractive social security system.

[bluecat*dancing]

No, the people smugglers are the law breakers not the asylum seekers. I keep on about it being legal to seek asylum because that is the truth and, even though you and others don't like it, it is a fact. There is a difference between myth and fact but I suppose that doesn't fit in with the "asylum seekers must be demonised" mentality. Why don't you lobby the government to stop being a signatory? The way that the government, present and past, have treated asylum seekers and refugees, they would probably welcome you with open arms.

No clothes? Nah, much too cold for that and many, many people would be traumatised if I was clotheless.

Stockholm? Never been to Sweden.

Are you still implying Stockholm Syndrome or do you think I have been to Sweden?

[I'm glad to hear that you are involved with supporting th eAboriginal community. Something we have in common]

[raptor_rebooted]

There is a difference between myth and fact

yes. yes there is.

from abc's fact check:

Any person arriving in Australia without a visa, including an asylum seeker, is an "unlawful non-citizen" under Australian law.

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

[bluecat*dancing]

Experts contacted by ABC Fact Check say it is not appropriate to use "illegal" when specifically describing asylum seekers or refugees. Professor Jane McAdam, director of the International Refugee and Migration Law Project at the University of New South Wales, says that "asylum seekers are not illegal under international law". "By ratifying the Refugee Convention, governments agree precisely not to treat asylum seekers as illegal," Professor McAdam said. Professor Andreas Schloenhardt, from the University of Queensland law school took a similar view, saying "the terms 'asylum seeker' and 'illegal' should not be used together or in the same sentence".

Use of 'illegal' to describe arrivals and entry The situation is less straightforward when the term "illegal" is used more broadly. Any person arriving in Australia without a visa, including an asylum seeker, is an "unlawful non-citizen" under Australian law. Mr Morrison can rely upon the definition of "illegal entry" in the people smuggling protocol, which Australia signed and ratified, so long as he makes it clear that he is doing so.

However, experts warn that the use of the terms "illegal" and "unlawful" in this context is potentially misleading, as they are words usually applied to criminal acts.

Professor Schloenhardt told ABC Fact Check that it is acceptable to refer to people coming to Australia without visas (including those who are not asylum seekers) as "illegal immigrants".

However, on a practical level, he says that "illegal implies that a criminal offence has been committed, which asylum seekers have not, and for that reason it is preferable to use different vocabulary".

Ellen Hansen from the Canberra office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees told ABC Fact Check that "the term 'illegal' is not one that UNHCR uses or encourages the use of in relation to refugees or asylum-seekers arriving without a visa". Other terminology is available. Professor Schloenhardt said international organisations prefer to use the term "irregular migrant".