Refugees in Germany

[kilroy_is_here]

do the refugees in Germany not realise that they are playing with fire , by aggressively flooding Germany's boarders and acting up once there , do they not realise that they are playing into the hands of the Neo nazi's, do they not remember history , ifear for the world if the average German be comes disenfranchised and angry as the nazi movement is long way from dead. History has shown and continues to show that what has been before can be again

[bluecat*dancing]

Twist it as much as you like, but, it still does not make myth become truth.

IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO SEEK ASYLUM.

Asylum seekers can not be charged for seeking asylum, whether they come by boat or plane, because they have not broken any criminal law. The terminology  is misleading and confusing so its no wonder that there are those who don't quite understand it.

[raptor_rebooted]

you omitted the verdict:

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

whether the usage of the term is

appropriate or not, is a matter of opinion.

the fact however, is - that it is correct and

legal term.  whether you prefer it or not.

[raptor_rebooted]

have you actually read the convention

regulations about refugees?

1. Article 31 of the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees provides as follows:

1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of Article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.

2. The Contracting States shall not apply to the movements of such refugees restrictions other than those which are necessary and such restrictions shall only be applied until their status in the country is regularized or they obtain admission into another country. The Contracting States shall allow such refugees a reasonable period and all the necessary facilities to obtain admission into another country.

2. Despite this provision, asylum seekers are placed in detention facilities throughout Europe, North America, and Australia, owing to their illegal entry or presence. In its July 2000 review of reception standards for asylum seekers in the European Union, UNHCR found several different types of detention in operation, including detention at border points or in airport transit areas, and that the grounds for detention also vary.

For example, refugees and asylum seekers may be detained at the ‘pre-admission’ phase, because of false documents or lack of proper documentation, or they may be held in anticipation of deportation or transfer to a ‘safe third country’, for example, under the provisions of the Dublin Convention.

Several countries have no limit on the maximum period of detention, including Denmark, Finland, Greece, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom, while others provide maximum periods and require release if no decision on admission or removal has been taken.

[bluecat*dancing]

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp141...

Asylum seekers irrespective of their mode of arrival, like others that arrive in Australia without a valid visa, are classified by Australian law to be ‘unlawful non-citizens’. However, the term ‘unlawful’ does not mean that asylum seekers have committed a criminal offence.

There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa.[9]

The confusion about legal status arises from those arriving by boat doing so without a valid visa or any other appropriate authorisation, compared to those who arrive by air with a valid visa and then go on to lodge asylum claims.

Any unauthorised arrivals (including any who arrive unauthorised by air) are subject to Australia’s mandatory immigration detention policy introduced by the Keating Government in 1992. Under this policy it is a requirement that ‘unlawful non-citizens’ be detained unless they have been granted temporary legal status by way of a bridging visa while their immigration status is determine

The term ‘illegal’ may more appropriately apply to those without a valid visa (‘unlawful non-citizens’) who are not seeking protection, but remain in Australia unlawfully, such as visa overstayers.[14]

As at 30 June 2013, it was estimated that there were about 62,700 visa overstayers present in Australia.

Globally, the IOM points out that ‘the overwhelming majority of migration is fully authorized’ and estimates that only about 10 to 15 per cent of the world’s international migrants are irregular, most of whom are visa overstayers, not asylum seekers.

[bluecat*dancing]

From the same link.

It is not a crime to enter Australia without authorisation for the purpose of seeking asylum. Asylum seekers do not break any Australian laws simply by arriving on boats or without authorisation.

Article 31 of the Refugee Convention clearly states that refugees should not be penalised for arriving without valid travel documents. What may be considered an illegal action under normal circumstances (e.g. entering a country without a visa) should not, according to the Convention, be considered illegal if a person is seeking asylum.

Australian and international law make these allowances because it is not always safe or even possible for asylum seekers to obtain travel documents or travel through authorised channels.

Refugees are, by definition, people fleeing persecution and in most cases are being persecuted by their own governments. It is often too dangerous for refugees to apply for a passport or exit visa or approach an Australian Embassy for a visa, as this could put their lives, and the lives of their families, at risk.

Refugees may also be forced to flee with little notice due to rapidly deteriorating situations and do not have time to apply for travel documents or arrange travel through authorised channels. In other cases, refugees may be unable to obtain travel documents because they do not have identity documentation or because they cannot meet the necessary visa requirements.

Australia has very restrictive policies which work to prevent citizens of countries where persecution is widespread from getting access to temporary visas of any kind. These policies leave many people seeking to flee to Australia with no way of entering in an authorised manner.

Permitting asylum seekers to enter a country without travel documents is similar to allowing ambulance drivers to exceed the speed limit in an emergency – the action may ordinarily be illegal but, in order to protect lives at risk, an exception is made.

[opmania]

Call it what you like

You don't need a PHD in Immigration to know

That they are illegal immigrants

Thats what they are and that's what they remain

Even after processing and their phoney 

Boloney  Australian citizenship that they swear

To and still carry out illegal acts in this country

Under sharia  law.

Like clerics marrying  a 9 year old girl to a 27

Year old man.

Recruiting 15 year old boys to shoot policemen

Add infinitum

When a female police officer stops a random

Woman in the street and her response is

"If there was a terrorist attack in Australia you

Would have your throat slit" what does that

Tell you about the general population.

When they knowingly harbor gihadist in thier

Midst and do nothing about them what does

This tell you about their loyalty to this

 country and it's people .

You think we are harsh towards them.

Why dont you try living in a muslim country see

How they treat westerners over there.

Lock you up and throw away the key if you try

Preaching the bible.

Spit on a woman in the street if her hair is uncovered

Its a different story now there here and trying

To turn everything in their favor. 

No wonder they are so hated everywhere they go

[bluecat*dancing]

Do you actually understand the Convention regulations about refugees?

[raptor_rebooted]

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@bluecat*slowdancing wrote:

Do you actually understand the Convention regulations about refugees?

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yes i do, that is why i KNOW

ausprit in post 47 is 100% correct.

[bluecat*dancing]

It doesn't require a PHD to know the difference betweeg migrants/immigrants and refugees/asylum seekers. I didn't read the rest because my eyes glazed over....

[bluecat*dancing]

Julia, please tell me what  asylum seekers can be charged with for seeking asylum in Australia?