Robodebt

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Such a shame they didn't get sound advice before putting people through this trauma - bullies

 

The best advice we have is that raising a debt wholly or partly on the basis of ATO-averaged income is not sufficient under law, Government Services Minister Stuart Robert said.

Therefore, we will return that money and move forward with our income-compliance program.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-29/federal-government-refund-robodebt-scheme-repay-debts/1229941...

 

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@debra9275 wrote:

I hear the class action is till going ahead which is good news,,, with over 2,000 suicides caused by the illegal robodebt..  I imagine the Govt are also going to have a huge 'damages. bill to pay as well


2,000 robodebt related suicides ? Arguably our Centrelink is more deadly than what coronavirus is currently 

 

One could say the after the war , America got the Geman rocket scientists, Russia the German jet aircraft scientists and Australia the German social-welfare technocrats

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The ATO cross reference should have only been used at the end of the financial year , when both Centrelink earning inputs can be logically fairly compared with ATO lodged gross earnings

Simple but they obviously could not wait - like yeah , someone will money grab and flee overseas ! 

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@rogespeed wrote:

The ATO cross reference should have only been used at the end of the financial year , when both Centrelink earning inputs can be logically fairly compared with ATO lodged gross earnings

Simple but they obviously could not wait - like yeah , someone will money grab and flee overseas ! 


But anyhow they must have sorted out the data mining because last year when I had conventional casual work they were cross referencing my declared fortnightly income with obviously data from the employer directly

 

However i do remember years ago you had to calculate earnings in advance or partially in advance - a crazy fantasy for some casual work that is piecemeal - always a difference in reporting - and knowing that any chronic clerical incompetence will result in centrelink workplace intervention....

I was thinking no wonder the commercial cash-in-hand economy is so prevalent , as instinctively if a process is unreasonably problematic , then alludes to disqualification from the endeavour  

 

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Robodebt class action to continue as vindicated recipients push for damages, ask for an apology

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-30/robodebt-class-action-continue-damages-debts-waived/12302174

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbMKjLe-RFA

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@davidc4430 wrote:

Robodebt class action to continue as vindicated recipients push for damages, ask for an apology

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-30/robodebt-class-action-continue-damages-debts-waived/12302174

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbMKjLe-RFA


Class action by one of those companies that advertise no win no fee ? 

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Stupid and arrogent of big aunty not to have an accessable appeal process before final debt notice - so serves themselves right , wonder how many fat cats end in "fisheries dept" over this 

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Class action by one of those companies that advertise no win no fee ? 


Yes the S and G one without the S.Sunnies.gif

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Yes and Attorney-General Christian Porter is working on pro bono laws to make it harder to take class actions against governments and the big end of town. The I.P.A will be happy.
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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Yes and Attorney-General Christian Porter is working on pro bono laws to make it harder to take class actions against governments and the big end of town. The I.P.A will be happy.

Hardly surprising. After all, the alternative is to admit incompetence. I would like to see how he goes in the Senate trying to pass laws that infringe on peoples' rights.

 

Not having any access to the purported laws, how is the AG going to stop lawyers offering pro bono services? It would be easy enough to get around - everybody chucks in a buck. Every lawyer (or any business person) has an absolute right to decide what they charge for their goods or services.

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Yes and Attorney-General Christian Porter is working on pro bono laws to make it harder to take class actions against governments and the big end of town. The I.P.A will be happy.

Class actions are considered a bit precious and frivolous in the Australian cultural context - the accepted down side of a " fair go" is "poo happens" 

 

If an individual feels aggrieved enough they can pursue recompense through normal legal channels , and for this issue I suspect most will not feel aggrieved enough nor have moral justification ( as they were in debt to DHHS ) 

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