Rudd gets a lift in the polls today....But

[donnashuggy]

[lakeland27]

Rudds made such inroads as to have them backing his policy, never a good sign from the coalition. there seems to be a bit of a panic in the camp

'Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison says a Coalition government would be prepared to keep Labor's Papua New Guinea asylum seeker policy.

Mr Rudd announced on July 19 his plan to send asylum seekers to Papua New Guinea for assessment.

The arrangement sees asylum seekers who are assessed to be genuine refugees resettled in PNG.

When the policy was first announced, Mr Morrison said the Coalition would try to salvage parts of the proposal.'

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-28/scott-morrison-flags-coalition-support-for-png-solution/484845...

[monman12]

Rudd's "solution" has merit LL, however there are clouds on the horizon in the form of the quantity of refugees per week, the fact that currently Manus only has a capacity of 600 with a maximum planned of 3000 (how long will that take?), and the legal /political/social hurdles to be overcome with PNG.

I watched Insiders this morning and agreed with Cassidy who said to Craig  Morrison that  Morrison's (anti Rudd's boat "solution") rhetoric would be  of assistance to the people smugglers planning their  next trips. He dodged!.

As you say, time will tell.

nɥºɾ

[lakeland27]

one would hope the plan includes an expansion to a regional solution (if there is indeed such a critter) but quite frankly i prefer to side with a Green obstacle in the senate to keep them both in check. i do think this has many years to run yet.

[just_me_karen]

I have a theory and I reckon I'm right 😄

I reckon Mr Rabbit had the PNG solution as his plan and their PM told Kevin, who decided to grab it for himself. The plan is too heartless and cruel to be a real labor plan.

That would explain why Mr Rabbit's plan is so feeble and weak...simply increasing the star level of the person overseeing what is already happening.

[extra-keen]

And what about the thousands who just fly in and stay!!!

How many of these folks are genuine refugees (of course some are) but they can afford to pay to come illegally  whether by boat or by plane. I'd rather have folks transferred from refugee camps around the world, folks who can't afford to cheat the system.

By the way, neither party has a clue! Anything either do so close to an election has to be politically driven and doesn't seem to have anything to do with genuine sympathy and thence care for these people until it is safe for them to return home.

[***super_nova***]

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@colleenk4324 wrote:

And what about the thousands who just fly in and stay!!!

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Most of those are from UK 🙂

The fact is people escaping from war will keep coming to Indonesia, nothing will stop them.  The existing "solution" (how I hate the word in this context!) is more harsh than what LNP had in place, yet the boats are coming, or sinking.  But we have to look at it globally; if we are getting 100 boats in a week, in Europe they are getting thousand, and they get them  a lot quicker once war starts.  It takes a while for people trickling down to Indonesia, and realising that the only way they will get out of there is on a boat. 

By the way, the PNG camp is being extended to hold 2 or 3 thousands. 

[monman12]

CK: "And what about the thousands who just fly in and stay!!!

SN: "Most of those are from UK" 

Most? I think taking a few moments to discover some facts is often  fruitful.

"Over the past five years the number of visa overstayers has jumped by about 10,000, Immigration figures show."

"A breakdown of the numbers by country reveals authorities are seeking 7930 Chinese, 5090 Americans, 4640 Malaysians and 3650 British. Thousands of others including 3500 Indians, 2760 Koreans, 2620 Indonesians, 2410 Filipinos, 1860 Thais, 1690 Vietnamese, 1460 Germans, 1280 Japanese, 1260 French, 1240 Irish and 1090 Fijians are also at large."

"the "vast majority" of overstayers remained in Australia illegally for only a short period, usually less than six months. "Many people who overstay their visas in Australia depart voluntarily without the need for departmental involvement."

"The number of visa overstayers - who entered the country legally and then failed to leave - has jumped by 3530 in just one year, data reveals.

Visitors from India now unlawfully in the country have increased by 780, Malaysians are up by 620, Chinese by 340, Nepalese by 320, Britons by 180, Tongans by 170 and Koreans by 150."

"Most of those are from UK"  ??

nɥºɾ

[polksaladallie]

Did anyone see this exchange between Neil James and Jim Molan on Insiders?  About 43mins into the programme.

http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3812634.htm

This is what the Operation Something-or-other is all about.  Molan should have had duct tape put over his mouth after the press conference to announce it.