SAS operative killed another civilian

[davidc4430]

Fellow soldiers say the SAS operative filmed shooting an unarmed man killed another civilian

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/soldiers-say-they-saw-sas-operative-killing-another-civilian/...

this guy needs reprograming

imagine living next door to a guy who kills without any thought

[davidc4430]

The same AK-47 was photographed on two dead Afghan civilians killed by Australian soldiers

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/sas-soldiers-allegedly-plant-gun-on-dead-bodies-in-afghanista...

[rogespeed]

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@4channel wrote:

The problem is that normal people can't be in those services. The commanders don't want people who will pause and think .... "Has that guy got a family?"  No!  They want shoot first and ask questions later. With that programming civiilans become collateral damage. No wonder so many returned servicemen come back messed up.

The below song needs to be heard

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Collateral Damage by Ron Kauffman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9nJbTqQ9fE

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Often they get " messed up" because upon return they notice some around about them being worse than those whom they fought against......  

[*kazumi*]

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

I hate the words Collateral Damage, it as made up instead of saying well we killed a few Babies and people, bad luck

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Yes, that expression also makes me cringe.  However "collateral damage" is something unintended.  Sorry we aimed our precision guided missile at your munition factory, and hit school, hospital or residential block mile away.  But in these cases they hunted and killed unarmed solitary person working in the field, and then put gun next to him as an excuse.  That is premeditated murder. 

The army recruits people who do not have a problem with killing; some might be psychopaths to starts with, others get to like it.  To be effective soldier you have no choice but to develop hatred for the "enemy" .  More the population get brutalize, more they will support the local fighters; that is why these wars can never be won by the intruders. 

[rogespeed]

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@*kazumi* wrote:

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

I hate the words Collateral Damage, it as made up instead of saying well we killed a few Babies and people, bad luck

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Yes, that expression also makes me cringe.  However "collateral damage" is something unintended.  Sorry we aimed our precision guided missile at your munition factory, and hit school, hospital or residential block mile away.  But in these cases they hunted and killed unarmed solitary person working in the field, and then put gun next to him as an excuse.  That is premeditated murder. 

The army recruits people who do not have a problem with killing; some might be psychopaths to starts with, others get to like it.  To be effective soldier you have no choice but to develop hatred for the "enemy" .  More the population get brutalize, more they will support the local fighters; that is why these wars can never be won by the intruders. 

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They usually get sent to enforce UN sanctioned directives - soldiers are trained to enforce lawful objectives and directives using lethal force if required , and according to rules-of-engagement. For our circumstances Is a matter of at worse disdain rather than hatred .  

Is not a free for all turkey shoot 

Australians are generally well thought of by former enemies - who are more realistic in attitude as to tragic incidents regarding the seemingly or actual innocent.  

Seemingly unlawful actions should be investigated . Is the same within Australia 

Start with " Rhine Meadows 1945/46" 

[lyndal1838]

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@4channel wrote:

The problem is that normal people can't be in those services. The commanders don't want people who will pause and think .... "Has that guy got a family?"  No!  They want shoot first and ask questions later. With that programming civiilans become collateral damage. No wonder so many returned servicemen come back messed up.

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The problem is that if a soldier stops to wonder if the enemy has a family they will be dead.....the enemy doesn't stop to ask questions.   They are there to kill as many of the opposition as possible.

Australian soldier gained good reputations in previous wars because they followed the rules of engagement and for the most part the European enemy were not barbarians.

War is completely different these days and the current enemies are much more barbaric.....completely different cultures and ways of waging war.

[davidc4430]

i can fully understand mistakes are made 'in the heat of battle'

what a cant condone is the 'cover up' of a F*up

the placing items like AK47s next to a body to hide the fact he was an unarmed farmer and not a combatant shows we are no better than those we claim to be fighting

screw up, own it should be the aussie way

we are supposed to be the 'good guys'

killing the innocent then covering it up makes the locals into haters and possible threats later.

who knows if the children of these dirt poor farmers killed because we 'shoot first and ask questions later' wont decide australia and australians need teaching a lesson and travel here and do a terror attack.

remember the saying what goes around comes around?

it may not even be anyone directly conected to the men our boys have murdered that commits a reprisal, any one bent that way will use our cowardly acts as amunition to support their attack

and pretending any innocent caught as 'collateral damage' by posing them with false evidence is cowardly

[4channel]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

i can fully understand mistakes are made 'in the heat of battle'

what a cant condone is the 'cover up' of a F*up

the placing items like AK47s next to a body to hide the fact he was an unarmed farmer and not a combatant shows we are no better than those we claim to be fighting

screw up, own it should be the aussie way

we are supposed to be the 'good guys'

killing the innocent then covering it up makes the locals into haters and possible threats later.

who knows if the children of these dirt poor farmers killed because we 'shoot first and ask questions later' wont decide australia and australians need teaching a lesson and travel here and do a terror attack.

remember the saying what goes around comes around?

it may not even be anyone directly conected to the men our boys have murdered that commits a reprisal, any one bent that way will use our cowardly acts as amunition to support their attack

and pretending any innocent caught as 'collateral damage' by posing them with false evidence is cowardly

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Soldiers shouldn't be there in the first place.

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Good guys?

[davidc4430]

The mistaken identity that led to Australian soldiers allegedly killing the wrong man

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-21/australian-sas-soldiers-killed-the-wrong-afghan-man/12472478

[davidc4430]

Australian special forces shown posing with 'Southern Pride' Confederate flag in Afghanistan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-22/australian-soldiers-signal-with-confederate-flag-in-afghanist...

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

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@4channel wrote:

The problem is that normal people can't be in those services. The commanders don't want people who will pause and think .... "Has that guy got a family?"  No!  They want shoot first and ask questions later. With that programming civiilans become collateral damage. No wonder so many returned servicemen come back messed up.

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The problem is that if a soldier stops to wonder if the enemy has a family they will be dead.....the enemy doesn't stop to ask questions.   They are there to kill as many of the opposition as possible.

Australian soldier gained good reputations in previous wars because they followed the rules of engagement and for the most part the European enemy were not barbarians.

War is completely different these days and the current enemies are much more barbaric.....completely different cultures and ways of waging war.

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Another difference is that in those days our soldiers knew who they were fighting and why they were fighting. Now the 'whos' and 'whys' have beome pretty much irrelevant and they are just fighting because they are told to.