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Satanic pianos and anthem a disgrace?

 

BACK in 2012 the Islamic College of South Australia made headlines when it sacked a female staff member for failing to wear a headscarf.

 

In hindsight it looks like these developments were a sign that some people at the college, which was once hailed as a multicultural success story with a commitment to assimilation, were determined to ensure that it maintained a separate identity from the Australian mainstream. Needless to say, in the current climate such an approach is unwelcome.

 

The singing of the anthem is something that happens in every Australian school and is an important symbolic gesture of our togetherness as Australians. If the school has banned the anthem it suggests a hostility to that concept.

 

More disturbing is the report that the school has also banned the playing of the piano from its music program on the grounds that the piano is evil. If this is the case, such medieval nonsense is straight out of the joyless playbook of the Taliban, which regards television, cinema, and almost every form of art as the work of the devil.

 

People are punished for watching TV and listening to music in Afghanistan. If we have a situation here in the suburbs of Adelaide where children are being chastised for wanting to play and enjoy music, we have a very serious problem on our hands.

 

Private religious schools receive public money in Australia. The argument about whether they should was settled in the 1960s. If these schools teach the curriculum and adhere to community values, fair enough.

 

You would doubt that too many taxpayers would want to underwrite a curriculum which regards pianos as satanic and the anthem as a disgrace.

 

The Federal Government should seek answers from this college on our behalf. If these practices are confirmed, the school should not get a cent.

 

More importantly, its teaching practices should be monitored and if necessary stamped out, as this kind of teaching has no place in an enlightened democracy.

 

Entire Article Here

 

I wonder how they feel about abstract art?

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Perhaps becase it was such a big Ooops moment? Lol

 

 

i wish it was.  

 

unfortunately its not unreasonable to 

believe that such discrimination does exist.

 

add to that the teachers' claims -  

not that  inconceivable sadly and i do wish

you were right.    Smiley Sad

 

 

 

 

 

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well, I'm sorry but it was "unresonable" to assume that they discriminate against women because according to what was posted, they did not..... the men have a fairly strict dress code as well

 

it is a 'religous" school.... our religious schools also have strict dress codes

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@debra9275 wrote:

well, I'm sorry but it was "unresonable" to assume that they discriminate against women because according to what was posted, they did not..... the men have a fairly strict dress code as well

 

it is a 'religous" school.... our religious schools also have strict dress codes


well, no.  this is not an isolated problem.

 

the college was in the spotlight when 2 female

teachers were sacked in early 2013 for not wearing

a head scarf.  the new (changed) policy was 

reinstated with a verbal order only.  so as i said -

it does happen.

 

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It's an Islamic school isn't it..... The women normally wear a head covering as far as I know

It 's no surprise that they would expect teachers to go by that rule I suppose
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@debra9275 wrote:

well, I'm sorry but it was "unresonable" to assume that they discriminate against women because according to what was posted, they did not..... the men have a fairly strict dress code as well

 

it is a 'religous" school.... our religious schools also have strict dress codes


well, no.  this is not an isolated problem.

 

the college was in the spotlight when 2 female

teachers were sacked in early 2013 for not wearing

a head scarf.  the new (changed) policy was 

reinstated with a verbal order only.  so as i said -

it does happen.

 


Why is it a problem? Is the dress code something staff are only told about after they have signed a contract?

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Why is it a problem? Is the dress code something staff are only told about after they have signed a contract?

 

 

from memory the teachers were not muslim and

refused to wear the head covering after the policy

was reintroduced.  they took the case to court so 

i assume it was not part of their original contract -

otherwise it would make no sense. 

 

 

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Well what happened? Did they win their case or not? That would give us a clue as to whether it was in their contract or not I can't be bothered looking it up

Most teachers these days are on contracts
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i dont know.  i can only find a small part 

of the original article with the rest behind

a paywall.

 

found this from kaysar trad:

 

"I'm aware there's a policy at that school with respect to the scarf," Mr Trad said.

"The AFIC policy is not to require any teacher to observe the hijab. In SA, the board itself has decided they want to operate in their way and we are not allowed to interfere in the matter.

"We maintain that staff should dress modestly but not be required by the nature of policy to wear the hijab."

Mr Trad said that matters of unfair dismissal resulting from teachers disobeying the school's hijab policy should be referred to Fair Work Australia.

"It's confusing for our children to see their teachers wearing the scarf in school and then they take it off when they are out shopping and the children see them there," he said.

"It is also a respect thing for our staff. If they are not Muslim they should not be forced to dress as Muslim."

 

 

 

this also has some info on it:

 

An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

 

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

 

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.

The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

 

The union says this is plainly wrong.

 

"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.

 

"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".

Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.

"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".

 

"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".

There are also implications for the school's funding.

 

"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.

 

The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

 

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/02/13/non-muslim-staff-told-wear-headscarves-adelaide

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Oh dear, all those bad muslim women daring to raise their voices of concern.  Where are those verses from the koran that say a woman shall not speak out against a man? 

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It's a shame we don't know the outcome but I have to say if I was a non Muslim teacher I probably wouldn't apply for a job in a Muslim school as I would hate to have to wear a headscarf and not being Catholic, I wouldn't apply for a job at a Catholic school. If they were unfairly dismissed they would've taken their case to fair work .

There was a bit of confusion created by having the rule, relaxing the rule then reinstating the rule
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