Schapelle Corby to be released?

[*crikey*mate*]

Indonesia's justice minister will sign Schapelle Corby's parole application in the next three days.

Do you think they'll sign?

[cherry*135]

and yet it happened twice.....

Yes, to two related females, who ate fish & who both have asthma.

Their family are satsified with the results.

What do you think is being 'hidden' from the family and/or public?

[cherry*135]

So this third person (as posted above) male who died suddenly in Bali had nothing to do with food poisioning nor didd he display the same symptoms as the mother & daugther.?

[nevynreally]

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@crikey*mate wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

Scombroid food poisoning can result from eating spoiled fish, meaning the restaurant's preparation could have made no difference, Mr Bischoff said.

"This is just a one in a million - one in a billion - thing to happen," he said.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/bali-deaths-noelene-and-yvana-bischoff-likely-died-of-foo...

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and yet it happened twice.....

and "could have made no difference" is very different to didn't make a difference" That's just damage control for the restaurant.

anyway, not playing with semantics, I'll leave that to the journos.

But science doesn't generally work with non specifics, semantics and normative statements.

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It happened twice because, firstly, the other death happened before the results of the first deaths were available.

Secondly, you're not getting what's been said. Preparation of the fish makes no difference, the damage is done prior. Whether the restaurant acts on this information or not, who knows, it's in Bali, not in Australia.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@nevynreally wrote:

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@crikey*mate wrote:

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@nevynreally wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

The average age of women who become grandmothers wouldn't be 36.

I am not fussed whether she gets out/is allowed to return to Australia soon or many years later.

I don't see anything suspicious with the mother and daughter. Toxic fish (nothing to do with how it was cooked) and reaction to mothers migraine pills and asthma, toxic reaction to fish and daughters asthma.

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Was listening to a dr on the radio today, the particular fish they ate, if not refrigerated properly, releases a bacteria. It's not killed off by freezing or cooking and it undetectable. It releases histamines, which considering they had asthma medication with them, very sad accidental deaths.

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there are some spore forming bacteria (usually related to clostridium botuli though)

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@crikey*mate wrote:

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@nevynreally wrote:

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but both their asthma and the type of FP was apparently "mild"... and blood tests would be able to determine the amount of histimine in the blood stream, so why only the claim it is the "likely" cause,

and now there is a third case?

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Who said they're mild? The amount of medications in the room boggled my mind, who takes that much with them overseas? Or has them at home. The "likely" is the reporters words. And a third case indicates that the restaurant has an issue with storing raw foods.
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and now there is a third case?

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The article I read. mild asthma (and c'mon, one of the ventolins was 3 or 4 years outdated, if your serious, you don't mess with old medicine)

and the food poisoning is not known to be fatal on its own with only mild sypmtoms.

If their asthma was that bad, the family would have known, and said something when they were denying allergies etc.... so yes, the heap of medication, and now the same with this new case..... it conflicts with earlier media releases, that's all - the family didn't even know they had asthma? How close is this family?

anyway...

it all just seemed a bit coincidental to me that we are hearing a few "feel good" bali stories at the same time....
 at a time when our indon relations are apparently not so great iykwim....

[*crikey*mate*]

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@freakiness wrote:

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@crikey*mate wrote:

Hey, does it seem a bit odd to anyone else that at least two "feel good" stories about Bali have been released to the media in the last 2 days?

First, the cough*results*cough of that mother/daughter deaths (willing to bet all the money in my pocket that there is stuff in that we're (being the general public) not being told), and now a possible release for Ms Corby?

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Why bother with the added coughs?

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because I think what we were told was vague.

I don't believe thatvthey were the real results.

an elevated level of histamine was a "likely cause"..... c'mon hey. Science is better than that these days.

It's no different to saying that someone died of cardiac arrest! Everyone dies of cardiac arrest! Your heart stops/arrests, you die.

[cherry*135]

crikey - if you don't go for those reasons why they died,  what do you think is being hidden from the family & public by the authorities?

[nevynreally]

Okay, what part are you not hearing?

This kind of fish, from the mackeral family, if not refrigerated properly prior to cooking releases histamines. Freezing/cooking does not change this. Histamines are the enemy of anyone who suffers from asthma. They had many medications in their room. Logic dictates that this was not mild food poisoning, but a bad allergic reaction to what they ate, which is what the coroners report indicated.

[cherry*135]

DR STEVE HAMBLETON:

Federal president of the Australian Medical Association. 

Scromboid poisioning

Well this is a very rare form of food poisoning that whilst rare to cause serious illness, what happens is that histamine levels rise in the fish - and histamine is what causes allergic reactions - people with asthma of course are more sensitive to histamine and that's why probably in this case two people with mild asthma showed a very, very severe reaction.

[boris1gary]

I just learnt why you shouldn't read just the last few posts on a thread, I though Corby had been poisoned by some kind of fish.

[cherry*135]

crikey - I don't believe that they were the real results.

What do you suppose the real results showed and why would they hide them? You keep suggesting something is being 'hidden'.

They didn't die from:

heart atttacks

foul play