Schapelle Corby to be released?

[*crikey*mate*]

Indonesia's justice minister will sign Schapelle Corby's parole application in the next three days.

Do you think they'll sign?

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@am*3 wrote:

crikey - if you don't go for those reasons why they died,  what do you think is being hidden from the family & public by the authorities?

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I don't know. That would be speculation. I just believe the article was very vague for the reasons I have already outlined.

maybe something was discovered that the family didn't want the whole world to know, and as it's not our business anyway, who are we to judge what they release to the media.

What's the explanation for all the medicartions found in their room despite the family claiming they had no illnesses or allergies etc?

to me it doesn't all add up, but then it's none of my business. Maybe I've just been watching too much TV...

or maybe the gov is hushing iot up as a part of their border protection silence regime (sarcasm) to facilitate the strengthening of our Indon relations.... doo doo do doo (that's eerie conspiracy movie music) maybe it's bad biological warfare and they don't want to panic us and stop us visiting there and making the Indon's cranky at us for destroying their tourism yadayadayadayada *rolls eyes*

should I speculate further? LOLOL

all I said, was I found the information to be vague and conflicting, if you don't, that's fine.

[cherry*135]

This negates your point about the pair only having mild asthma also. Reposted in case you missed it above.

..people with asthma of course are more sensitive to histamine and that's why probably in this case two people with mild asthma showed a very, very severe reaction.

No, I don't find it vague and conflicting. But I would expect anyone that did would have some sort of real reasons, evidence for thinking that way.

The medicines in the room were all the things the mother (nurse) thought they might need on a tropical holiday. She had travelled a lot in her life, had her daughter when she was 40 and travelled with her as well.  Not many people including police and their famiy see anything else than that.

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@nevynreally wrote:

Okay, what part are you not hearing?

This kind of fish, from the mackeral family, if not refrigerated properly prior to cooking releases histamines. Freezing/cooking does not change this. Histamines are the enemy of anyone who suffers from asthma. They had many medications in their room. Logic dictates that this was not mild food poisoning, but a bad allergic reaction to what they ate, which is what the coroners report indicated.

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steady on, I'm a few pages behind you LOL

I caught up.

and no, the coroner's report only said "likely"... he knows the levels of histime, and he knows if they died from an allergic reaction.

likely isn't definitive.

and with all that medicine and knowing that histimine was their enemy to their "mild asthma" they had no antihistamine? No epi pens? and their family didn't know they had asthma or other allergies? and they carried an out of date asthma spray?

c'mon.

[nevynreally]

I don't know if you can prove histamine tolerance with an autopsy. Living people tolerate histamines at different levels. Hence the "likely"

We also don't know, and the coroner probably wouldn't either, if the reaction was sudden, meaning not enough time for medication or an epi pen (if they had one, they may not have normally needed one)

 Really not getting the conspiracy theory here.

[cherry*135]

As the mother took ill first and so suddenly, she wouldn't know what hit her, she wouldn't have known an epipen would cure her, she didn't know why she was ill.

Dr Hambelton

TONY EASTLEY: So would antihistamines or an EpiPen or the like save a life in the case of scombroid poisoning, severe scombroid poisoning?

STEVE HAMBLETON: Well the answer is probably yes. And antihistamines really are the mainstay. Drugs to combat asthma, Epinephrene or adrenaline, is probably not needed because it's not a full allergic response. In fact it's more of a histamine related response. So you're right, those antihistamines, H1 and H2 receptor blockers, plus asthma drugs, if you got in there and diagnosed it quick enough might have made a difference.

They didn't have any known allergies. The family may not have thought to mention mild asthma.. mild asthma isn't usually the cause of death.

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@am*3 wrote:

DR STEVE HAMBLETON:

Federal president of the Australian Medical Association. 

Scromboid poisioning

Well this is a very rare form of food poisoning that whilst rare to cause serious illness, what happens is that histamine levels rise in the fish - and histamine is what causes allergic reactions - people with asthma of course are more sensitive to histamine and that's why probably in this case two people with mild asthma showed a very, very severe reaction.

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well there's an understatement.....

severe reaction....

well yeah, I'd say death was about as severe as it got, eh?

but there we go again, speculation "probably".

why didn't an antihistamine work?

what were all the other medications for?

why was the asthma spray out of date by years?

the family previously didn't know about the asthma or any allergies..... according to media. so why all the medications?

No one has addressed those questions, just concentrating on getting us to accept a likely cause.

At least with the third case, the family knew about the heart condition....

whooaar - conspiracy theory alert!!!!!!!!

someone planted all that medication on the family. and the gov either doesn't want to alarm us or is trying to keep peace with the Indons so they'll take our boats back.....

ok back to the Corbys....

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@boris1gary wrote:

I just learnt why you shouldn't read just the last few posts on a thread, I though Corby had been poisoned by some kind of fish.

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LOL

(well not that that would be funny, so I hope you get why I'm laughing)

[cherry*135]

They had one asthma spray that was fresh. The mother slipped up and didn't check the use by date before she packed it on the other one.

well there's an understatement.....

severe reaction....

Not what he actually said though was it... very very severe reaction.

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@am*3 wrote:

crikey - I don't believe that they were the real results.

What do you suppose the real results showed and why would they hide them? You keep suggesting something is being 'hidden'.

They didn't die from:

heart atttacks

foul play

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everyone dies from a heart attack. heart stops, you die.

FGS - I don't suppose anything!!!!!!

It just doesn't add up to me, I reckon there is more.

Maybe the family doesn't want us to know. Maybe the gov doesn't (spooky music)

It's too vague.

A coroner knows if it was an allergic reaction or iof the histamine levels were high enough to cause a reaction so severe that antihistimines don't work from the blood work ups, by the internal damage caused.

a coroner knows what death by allergic reaction looks like. He knows what death from asthma looks like in the soft tissue and blood workups etc - he can be more specific than "likely".

[cherry*135]

There is nothing that is too vague or suggests they are hiding something imo. None of your points suggest there is either.