Scott Morrison refuses to sign UN migration pact

[icyfroth]

Scott Morrison has refused to sign up to the United Nations migration pact, saying it would compromise Australia's national interests and border security.

In a statement issued this morning, Mr Morrison said the government had already achieved the goals the deal set out.

And, he said, it failed to distinguish between illegal migrants, and those who arrived "the right way".

Australia now joins the United States and others, in rejecting the UN pact.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/11/21/08/36/scott-morrison-refuses-to-sign-united-nations-mig...

Good on him!  I can see him romping into liberal leadership in the next elections!

[springyzone]

If they made citizenship quite a bit harder (& a much longer wait) to get in the first place, then it might not be much of an issue.

Or else make citizenship, once granted, probationary for at least 5 years with automatic loss for serious crime (ie anything that warrants more than 12 months in jail)

we do something similar with driving licences.

I don't think a probationary period of citizenship would affect many migrants at all as most are reasonably law abiding.

[johcaschro]

I am not comfortable with the idea of Australian citizenship being stripped away from a person for any reason.

I think that once someone has citizenship then anything they do afterwards is our problem for Australia to deal with under Australian law. To me, the fact that citizenship may be removed may contribute to a cheapening effect and tends to undermine its value.

Perhaps a period of probationary citizenship is a good idea, but that once granted it should be permanent  unless surrendered voluntarily, and that might prompt the authorities to grant it with a little more due consideration.

[davidc4430]

lets be honest, can anyone imagine a terrorist thinking, omg! they will take away my citizenship if i do this!

thats it, no more plotting for me!

[johcaschro]

Well, it's not going to deter Islamist terrorists who seek death in their cause anyway. While I understand their political grievances, I think they fail to appreciate the spiritual side of religion, believing instead, a most unfortunate version of what is anyway a most improbable idea.

For those 'true believers', the last thing on their mind is going to be a possible loss of citizenship.

[springyzone]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

lets be honest, can anyone imagine a terrorist thinking, omg! they will take away my citizenship if i do this!

thats it, no more plotting for me!

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Of course not. It's a given that citizenship doesn't mean anything much to any terrorists born elsewhere who may plot against citizens here. It's a matter of convenience only. Or it might even be something bestowed on them by parents, so not necessarily of their own choosing.

But there are huge advantages to Australia in making citizenship harder & a longer process to get in the first place & by then having a probationary period on it. And that is, if by chance an accused terrorist here has no citizenship, then deportation could be a much easier option & fast process.

To be quite honest though, I don't see the value of probationary citizenship as being mainly about terrorists, I think the value would be more about ordinary very serious crime eg rapes, murder, extreme violence etc So everyone knew the score, it would have to be clearly defined because I would not envisage it applying for minor crimes.

It's a funny thing but when I have mentioned probationary citizenship to people, with it being revoked for extreme crime, I have found a lot of migrants here have been more for it than some locally born & I suspect the reason is they made sacrifices to come here & in some cases, to get away from violence, so they don't want to have to put up with it.

[icyfroth]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Man Monis and that guy that ran amok in Bourke St.mall both came in the 'right way'

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Which is exactly why it's a good reason to have sovereignty over your own borders and not be dictated to by any globalist organisation.

[icyfroth]

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@enigmabear wrote:

Doubtful really, plenty of Australian born and raised scumbags have commited heinous acts

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Then why import more?

[marwi_3023]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-23/top-school-marks-not-enough-to-get-asylum-seeker-into-uni/105...

[icyfroth]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@enigmabear wrote:

Doubtful really, plenty of Australian born and raised scumbags have commited heinous acts

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Then why import more? Anyway, it's not about scumbags, homegrown or otherwise. It's about controlling unsustainable population growth with being dictated to by Globalists.

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[davidc4430]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

lets be honest, can anyone imagine a terrorist thinking, omg! they will take away my citizenship if i do this!

thats it, no more plotting for me!

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which is why i would put in place that any one comming here and deciding they want to be a terrorist, all of their family members will be sent back to what ever country they came from.

i am quite happy to give those fleeing danger a new life in australia, but screw with us and get sent back, you and all your family.

think about that, are you so angry you will put your entire family at risk?

maybe it wont work, maybe it will.