Scott Morrison

[freddie*rooster]

Is full of it, how can a Minister go on and on and on, for what about 3/4hr, repeating the same ole over and over again without answering the questions asked of him? All he done was repeat his "crystal clear" slogan when in fact nothing is crystal clear except his Government's failure to stop the boats, as per their election promise.

[freakiness]

Has anyone said they're proud of the wrongs of the past.

Most of us learn from the mistakes of the past.

It's difficult to draw any conclusions about the level of support based on a series of events without much lead in time.

The March in March will give a better indication.  Was there a big protest at the actions of Labor when they first came into office?

[freakiness]

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@silverfaun wrote:

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Is the stunned mullet look easier than an answer?

[silverfaun]

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@freakiness wrote:

Has anyone said they're proud of the wrongs of the past.

Most of us learn from the mistakes of the past.

It's difficult to draw any conclusions about the level of support based on a series of events without much lead in time.

The March in March will give a better indication.  Was there a big protest at the actions of Labor when they first came into office?

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No.

This march is  political stunt organised by labor supporters and unions, nothing to do with how the Libs are travelling. The disappointed can't come to terms with the ousting of Labor and neither can the Labor party so they are destined to spend a lot of time in opposition.

Now I know this is a dissappointing situation but there it is. Why not try to be positive because going negative for the next 3 years could be injurious to your health. and we wouldn't want that now would we.

[boris1gary]

very interesting article.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/manus-island-and-the-horrors-in-austra...

Abbott’s plan for a brutal immigration policy was clear before the election, so we all must take responsibility for the atrocities on Manus Island, writes Dr Benjamin T. Jones.

IT IS TIME TO STOP BLAMING Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison for the terrors, barbarism and inhumane treatment of innocents that is Australia’s present immigration system.

It is easy to point the finger at the Government – especially the staunchly unrepentant Morrison – as more details of violence and unrest seep through the immigration department’s veil of secrecy. Is it fair, however, to blame the Government — or do they have a mandate for the very behaviour that is now being condemned?

The few details we do have make for grim reading.

Iranian asylum-seeker Reza Berati was killed after having his head stomped on by riot police attempting to quell a protest. It is a shocking irony that a young man fleeing violence should meet such a brutal demise in Australian custody. Thirteen others were seriously injured with guards using sticks, iron bars, rubber hoses and other weapons to punish rock throwing protesters.

Broadcaster and academic Waleed Aly has argued that Australians have no right to be outraged by these events because:

'The whole point of detention for asylum seekers is horror, whether it is acknowledged or not.'

He is correct.

The employment of a notorious PNG riot squad; the creation of a ghoulish graphic novel depicting the misery of life in detention; the shamelessly political newspaper ads in the last days of the Rudd Government, insisting even genuine refugees will never be settled in Australia; are all part of a concerted effort to terrify vulnerable people.

[boris1gary]

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@silverfaun wrote:

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@freakiness wrote:

Has anyone said they're proud of the wrongs of the past.

Most of us learn from the mistakes of the past.

It's difficult to draw any conclusions about the level of support based on a series of events without much lead in time.

The March in March will give a better indication.  Was there a big protest at the actions of Labor when they first came into office?

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No.

This march is  political stunt organised by labor supporters and unions, nothing to do with how the Libs are travelling. The disappointed can't come to terms with the ousting of Labor and neither can the Labor party so they are destined to spend a lot of time in opposition.

Now I know this is a dissappointing situation but there it is. Why not try to be positive because going negative for the next 3 years could be injurious to your health. and we wouldn't want that now would we.

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maybe all that positiveness should be directed at the Prime Minister for Unemployment, he could sure use some.

[tall_bearded]

March will be a fizzer.  Yes, we’ll see thousands maybe even a hundred thousand, but in the context of eligible voters as a whole, that number is so insignificant as to not warrant serious consideration.

As for blood on ones hands – just an attempt to add a little perspective. 

There was a riot.  One person died.  We do not yet know the full story, but the full story will come out, and when it does, I will make my decisions based on the totality of the information, and if that means a minister must resign so be it, but it will happen against the background of an opinion based on the facts and not hearsay, innuendo and just out and out plain bias and prejudice.

[tall_bearded]

“attempting to quell a protest”. Then add “weapons to punish rock throwing protesters.

So it was not a peaceful protest. 

And guess what, if you engage in violent protest there is a chance you may get hurt.

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Therefore the fact that 13 got hurt needs to be viewed in light of how violent was the protest (not yet know), how measured (or otherwise) was the response (not yet known).

[tall_bearded]

And as for appalling cruelty (a post on another threat) 

Let’s see. 

Three meals a day, a roof over your head, the right to worship as you please, a recreation centre and oh yes you can leave anytime you like and go anywhere you like, just not here, which pretty much encapsulates off shore processing.  Oh and in case you abject to the roof, spent 20 years in the military, a good portion of which was under canvas, and with far fewer facilities than there are one Manus. 

Now let compare that with an Indonesian prison cell, or a Russian prison, or a Chinese re-education camp, or a north Korean labour camp to name but a few.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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silverfaun wrote:

Why not take the Ministers word for the information he was given which he then repeated in the PARLIAMENT before taking the word of vested interests.

Children overboard, weapons of mass destruction, there will be no carbon tax: we have been lied to and mislead so consistently, by so many governments, over so many years, that we no longer believe we can take a politician's word on anything (watch his lips, if they're moving he's lying). Politics is a chess game - Game Of Thrones without the physical violence -and  the only thing we can confidently expect from our politicians is that if it suits their purpose they will mislead us  deceive us and even lie to us  in any way they see fit. 

[donnashuggy]

Take a listen

http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2014/02/21/3949893.htm?site=sydney&program=702_drive