Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

[daydream**believer]

Brilliant.

Whether people support halal certification or not, there are lots of people with lots of concerns so its time to investigate it all.

http://www.3aw.com.au/news/bernardis-inquiry-into-food-certification-schemes-20150514-gh1c32.html

Here are the reasons i am against halal certification and the questions i want answered.
1. Why are the fees paid by businesses for halal certification kept secret? Why do the businesss have to sign non disclosure agreements?

2. Why are there 20+ privately run halal certification companies in Australia, all charging whatever amounts they want, when Indonesia only has 1 Government run halal certifier? If foods need to be halal certified, then let the Government run it and let the money go back into the whole Australian community.

3. For meat to be halal, the animal needs to be slaughtered a certain way, throat slit while animal is conscious by a Muslim. Yes, there are some abattoirs that use a reverse stun but, from what i have researched, there are at least 15 abattoirs in Australia that slaughter animals using no stun. It is barbaric. This video is very graphic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAQJ-FZo1cA

4. Australia is a predominantly Christian country, so why are we being forced to eat meat that has been prayed over to a "god" that we dont even recognise?

5. If halal certification is supposed to help Muslims recognise what they can and cant eat, then why do so many companies that pay for the certification stamp choose not to display it on their products?

6. Why are abattoirs paying a certification fee and then packing all the meat in one truck and delivering it to butchers and supermarkets who then put it all in the one fridge and display it all in the one display fridge. Once pork products are shelved, stored or transported with other meats, the other meats immediately become non halal anyway. So Aussie Muslims cant eat it anyway.

7. We are told halal certification monies goes towards to building of more mosques and Islamic schools. We know that there are quite a few mosques where the hatred of Australia is preached. As for Islamic schools, the same schools where a principal has said that girls are forbidden to run in races because it will cause them to lose their virginity. Do we need schools like that here?

8. In Canada halal certification money was found to be used to fund organisations linked to extremist organisations. I have no doubt that would be happening here as well.

9. Halal is a part of sharia law and we DO NOT want any part of Sharia law in Australia.

So, what would i like to see? Id like halal certification to be a Government run organisation. Id like every business who pays for halal certification to have to display the stamp on their products. I want all Australian abattoirs to stun before killing. That would be a nice start

[azureline**]

I thought it addressed one of your concerns, Mr Grizz has just addressed 2 more.

[*mrgrizz*]

i would be more concerned about the cost involved with complying with Coles and Woolworths stardards and auditing than HALAL

[bluecat*dancing]

Unlike the OP, SBS does not have an anti-muslim agenda. Hopefully, the inquiry results will answer and relieve her of her concerns as well as educate others but I doubt it because there will always be those who would rather believe the shock jocks rather than the facts.

[daydream**believer]

just curious grizz, do you slaughter pigs at your work?

[*mrgrizz*]

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@daydream**believer wrote:

just curious grizz, do you slaughter pigs at your work?

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no

[the_great_she_elephant]

Not so odd, really, when you consider that the thread title only mentioned halal and point 9 in the OP stated: ." Halal is a part of sharia law and we DO NOT want any part of Sharia law in Australia.

Kosher is a part of Judaic  Law specific to Jews, and if, as the OP is keen to point out, we are a predominantly Christian country, so do we want any aspect of Jewish law in Australia?

[daydream**believer]

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@azureline** wrote:

I thought it addressed one of your concerns, Mr Grizz has just addressed 2 more.

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Umm, no he hasnt

[daydream**believer]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Not so odd, really, when you consider that the thread title only mentioned halal and point 9 in the OP stated: ." Halal is a part of sharia law and we DO NOT want any part of Sharia law in Australia.

Kosher is a part of Judaic  Law specific to Jews, and if, as the OP is keen to point out, we are a predominantly Christian country, so do we want any aspect of Jewish law in Australia?

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the difference is that Kosher certification is not on near all the products in our supermarkets.

There are two Kosher certifiers in Australia who clearly state what they charge for certification

[daydream**believer]

Anyway, i'll leave you all to it.

I just popped in to spread the joy that i felt when the inquiry was announced.

Feel free to keep bumping the thread so that others may celebrate

[raptor_rebooted]

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@*mrgrizz* wrote:

my work kills 4000 animals everyday HALAL every single one is stunned first.

i will repeat once again ritual slaughter is where the animal is not stunned first. and is extremely rare and highly monitored.

we sign no non disclosure documents with any certifiers

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that is really good but not good enough

because there are still exemptions and 

there are abattoirs in australia that have been

granted permission for religious slaughter.  

The Federal Government is reviewing ritual slaughter standards but is not pre-empting the findings.

Halil Haliloff owns a farm north of Adelaide which is one of nine abattoirs in South Australia that is allowed to kill without stunning.

The Turkish-born Muslim has been running the small abattoir for sheep and goats for about seven years and has around 50 animals at any given time.

He says most of his customers would not buy the meat if it had been stunned.

“I kill them for the religion, if not do for the religion then my customer [would] run away,” he said.

He says many of his customers actually watch him slaughter the animals to ensure it is halal.

“[They] want to buy fresh meat, because shops keep it in a cool room. [Here it is] from ice, it’s halal.”

The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils is the accreditation body for halal food.

It accepts the stunning of animals but president Ikebal Patel says exemptions are needed to accommodate for religious freedoms.

i disagree.

http://muslimvillage.com/2011/06/20/11004/rspca-wants-to-ban-non-stunned-halal-kosher-slaughter/