Should People be Made

[grandmoon]

too Anglicises their names.

I overheard a woman telling a refugee that he should anglicise his name so she could understand it .

[***super_nova***]

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@lloydslights wrote:

Most of those migrant hostels were former army barracks.

Were they shameful then, too.  

Sorry, just have to add:  The hostels couldn't be too luxurious, as people wouldn't then go out to get and job and improve their lot.

DEB

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really?  Most people always want to improve their lot, does not matter what people have they always want more.  It is ridiculous to say that if people had adequate basic accomodation in camp they would not want to get out of there.  Every refugee I have met has one priority = to start earning money, to feel free and independant, and as one lovely Hazara boy put it "to start finally living".

However, awful as a Bonnegilla was people were not confined there, they could go to town and if lucky get a job.  They were not exactly prisoners there.   I know people who were there, and when they saw not much opportunity to settle and make living in surrounding towns, they packed the kids and went to  Melbourne.  Unlike the people in our refugees now, who are not allowed out or work if released.  That was one idiotic ALP legislation.

[aps1080]

Tas

And funnily enough, no hard feelings against the Germans, unlike the feelings towards the Japs.

But yes, those who put in got on in life plus built Australia.

Hell, it wasn't 5 star luxury by any means but I would have grabbed it over life in Europe in the 40's, 50's and 60's.

At least you had food !!!

[aps1080]

"However, awful as a Bonnegilla was people were not confined there, they could go to town and if lucky get a job.  They were not exactly prisoners there. "

Migrants different from Refugess.

In regards to the other bit about Refugees not being allowed out, sorry, far too many do gooders who spend countless hours tying up court systems arguing why they should not be deported as they have put down roots here from being in the community.

IF they are given refugee status and a Visa, no problem, let them out but not before they have been assessed.

[tasfleur]

" it wasn't 5 star luxury by any means but I would have grabbed it over life in Europe in the 40's, 50's and 60's"

Can't argue with that aps xx

[lloydslights]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@lloydslights wrote:

Most of those migrant hostels were former army barracks.

Were they shameful then, too.  

Sorry, just have to add:  The hostels couldn't be too luxurious, as people wouldn't then go out to get and job and improve their lot.

DEB

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really?  Most people always want to improve their lot, does not matter what people have they always want more.  It is ridiculous to say that if people had adequate basic accomodation in camp they would not want to get out of there.  Every refugee I have met has one priority = to start earning money, to feel free and independant, and as one lovely Hazara boy put it "to start finally living".

However, awful as a Bonnegilla was people were not confined there, they could go to town and if lucky get a job.  They were not exactly prisoners there.   I know people who were there, and when they saw not much opportunity to settle and make living in surrounding towns, they packed the kids and went to  Melbourne.  Unlike the people in our refugees now, who are not allowed out or work if released.  That was one idiotic ALP legislation.

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We are talking migrants.  Not refugees.

Following the war, anybody who worked hard made good and fair money.   My own parents, born and bred in Australia, had tomato boxes as cupboard storage, table and stools from stacked egg boxes.  A rented farm. Parents worked hard for a better life.  Most people do so, as was said by you.

But then there were others who a few years later said to my dad, "gee, you're lucky to have a nice new laminex table and 2 chrome chairs in a newly mortgaged home on a small farm of your own".  As they still sat on older jacobean chairs given them by their parents on their wedding day, which had had the nice white flowing gown and 6 attendants and still in rented accommodation.

There are doers and there are takers.  I tend not to spoil the takers.  But I do tend to assist those that help themselves for a better life.

DEB

[aps1080]

"There are doers and there are takers. I tend not to spoil the takers. But I do tend to assist those that help themselves for a better life."


Very well said.

[azureline**]

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@azureline** wrote:

The centre was remote from the larger cities and generally attracted little attention from the Australian press.

An exception from this general rule was in 1949 when 13 newly arrived children died from malnutrition.

An official inquiry was critical of the inadequately staffed and equipped hospital.

There were protests about food and conditions in 1952 and Italian and German migrants staged a riot in 1961, smashing the employment office and clashing with police.

The protesters posted signs reading "We want work or back to Europe" and "Bonegilla camp without hope".

These two events embarrassed Australian authorities and saw a review of settlement policies

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It's easily found on google.

These people were migrants, not refugees and they wanted jobs and homes, they knew it was a way station but they had nowhere to go without getting a job first.

[aps1080]

Azure

I actually knew that. Yes, 13 died, Jesus, if they were in Europe many more would have.

Australia's Policy was ahead of the infrastructure and thought processes of the Authorities, which isn't surprising considering Australia still had a white Australia policy in place.

Not sure where "Dagos, Wogs and Poofters" fitted in in 1950's Australia !!! LOL

Bloody hard workers though. The Snowy is unlikely to have been built without them, or not in the same time frame.

[***super_nova***]

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@aps1080 wrote:

IF they are given refugee status and a Visa, no problem, let them out but not before they have been assessed.

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Yes, but there are people in our camps who have the refugee status, and they are locked up as prisoners for years.  All they want is a chance to work and make life for themselves and their families.  Which is a basic human right. 

[aps1080]

That is allowed under the UN. The same as refugees are locked up in Indonesia but I don't here you whinging about that.

If they had followed procedure and come in under the quota instead of trying to come in by boat, then fine.

But many of these people pass through suitable countries - as determined by the UN - to get to Indonesia so they can then get a boat to Aus.

The UN book says you are to claim asylum in the first country, not a country of your choosing.

If we let every refugee / AS out, we'd never get them out because do gooders would forever hide them from Authorities.

We will forever disagree on this subject.