Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[icyfroth]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@debra9275 wrote:

I cannot defend it, no self respecting woman could, no woman could defend what this garment represents.

the garment represents freedom of choice within this country

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This country gives them freedom of choice but there's Austalian law, and then there's the word of the Prophet, Islam law. Which does not give devout Muslim women the choice to go into public places uncovered.

The country they happen to be residing in is immaterial.

If the burqa is used to conceal weapons or identity in this country, then it should be banned to be worn in public in this country.

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So you support a ban on wearing burqa/niqab in the whole of Australia only because of an IF?

To enter Parliament public have to go through security first. If they have any weapons on them, they would be detected before they enter. Not sure what the exact security procedures they have there but they will be tightened up now anyway.

As others have posted, a long heavy coat would conceal a weapon, don't need to wear a burqa. If a member of the public did go into Parliament and shoot at the Parliamentarians... they wouldn't get escape with out being captured by security. It wouldn't matter whether their face was covered or not, they would be detained, arrested, locked up.

There are frequent shootings and killings in Sydney, none of them by persons wearing burqa's/niqabs.

There are laws, in NSW (2011)  for one State at least, that require a person with a face covering to remove it for identification purposes if required to do so.

Banning the Burqa's for security reasons to identify persons isn't necessary. Just a new law that requires face coverings to be removed if requested by authorities.

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In summary:

I think the burqa is a symbol of oppression by muslim men of muslim women. As such, proponents of women's rights should condemn it.

It is a garment designed to conceal. As such it is viewed by Aus security with suspicion as it could be used to conceal identity and/or weapons.

It is unlikely it will be banned in Australia as Aus citizens enjoy freedom of choice with regard to dress standards.

Muslim women in Australia may or may not choose to wear the burqa enjoy the same liberty according to Australian law.

I have no doubt some Muslim women in Australia are constrained to wear the burqa by requirement of more orthodox belief sets. 

[icyfroth]

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@debra9275 wrote:

As we have now commenced military action against Iraq, a predominantly Muslim country, special considerations against internal terrorism apply

Icy we are not at war with Iraq

we are figthing Isis, an extreme terrorist group, we are actually fighting for and with Iraqui and Syrian  muslims in their countries against Isis

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Yes you're right, thank you. Pardon my error.

[karliandjacko]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

I haven't read all 39 pages of posts in this thread, and nor do I intend to, but .... 

as far as wearing items of clothing that may hide the identity of a person - why do all Financial Institutions (and maybe others too, I don't know) insist that helmets are removed when you enter their premises?

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Because there were some robberies during which people wore helmets to hide their identity before the rule was introduced.

[karliandjacko]

Are they in Australia?

Almost every photo I've seen used to demonstrate why we should ban the burqa has not been taken in Australia.

Is that an Aussie passport she is flashing?

[debra9275]

so does that change your view a little bit, knowing that we're not at war with muslim countries?

[icyfroth]

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@azureline** wrote:

Some people need to decide on a reason to ban it, they can't continually change the reasons..........................

Is it a terrorist threat? Yes

does it affront you? No

does it intimidate you? No

Australia is a hot country. Irrelevant

Women who wear it are oppressed. In many instances, yes.

beaten? stoned? Can be. Probably for other reasons though, not necessarily for not wearing a burqa.

can't tell their gender? No telling who or what's under there.

can't wear a full face helmet or balaclava to the bank or servo? I have seen signs on banks and servos asking for those type of coverings removed and have no problem with that.

can't identify them? Not unless the veil is lifted.

For me, none of the above.

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[karliandjacko]

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@micasheen wrote:

What I see on here is the condemnation of our western culture to the defence of stone age customs that see women as no more valuable than a goat, probably less so.

All you women on here who defend the burqa and what it represents have forfeited their right to any feminist argument in the future imo.

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What you see is what you want to see and nothing more.  Who are you to judge that people are condemning our western culture or defending stone age customs?  

No, what you see are people that don't like the great divide that our pathetic little government and the white neo libs are foisting upon us with all this dribble about women in burqas being a national security risk.  Most of the people peddling that **bleep** don't give a toss about women's rights or arab types.

It is not your place to judge that anyone has forfeited their rights to any feminist argument, ever.

[azureline**]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

Some people need to decide on a reason to ban it, they can't continually change the reasons..........................

Is it a terrorist threat? Yes

does it affront you? No

does it intimidate you? No

Australia is a hot country. Irrelevant

Women who wear it are oppressed. In many instances, yes.

beaten? stoned? Can be. Probably for other reasons though, not necessarily for not wearing a burqa.

can't tell their gender? No telling who or what's under there.

can't wear a full face helmet or balaclava to the bank or servo? I have seen signs on banks and servos asking for those type of coverings removed and have no problem with that.

can't identify them? Not unless the veil is lifted.

For me, none of the above.

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How is it a terrorist threat?

where are these women who you know to be oppressed?

can't tell a woman is wearing a burqa? men walk differently to women, have different body shapes (but why do you need to know?)

Veils are removed for identification.

[bushies.girl]

Well since you asked ..... I see it as a political statement from a minority group, who think they are (somehow) better than others and need to show this by dressing in medieval garb. The more I read about the Muslim faith the less I like it 'n NO I am not a racist 'cause Islam is NOT a race. Quite frankly I am few up with reading/hearing about Muslims and what they want/don't want and what ( supposedly) offends them.