Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@village_person wrote:

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@tezza2844 wrote:

Talk about banning burqas and niqabs , what about hoodies, available anywhere, anytime and cheap.

Preferred dressed for most everyday smash and grab robbers, service stations robbers, vandals, muggers, rapists and I suppose you could throw in a few murderers

But I’ve yet to hear any one of the above mentioned wearing a burqa or a niqab

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So are we to assume that hoodies are a religious/cultural thing? Are they worn by anabaptists or some other cult?

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No. But are we to assume that only religious "disguises" are ever confronting or pose a security threat? 

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Actually, the best disguise would be Santa outfit, or in other times of the year one of the Wilderness Society koalas.

[cherry*135]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

 Are women wearing the burqa or niqab in Australia troublemakers & up to no good when they go out in public? 

If they are trying to make a political statement, one which is in opposition to the ideals of a democracy and the equal enfranchisement of women, then yes they are.

There are certain badges of now-passed regimes which might cause equal provocation if displayed in a public place.

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Why is a Muslim women wearing a niqab in public a troublemaker & up to no good if she is doing her grocery shopping, dropping her kids off at school, the same as any other Australian woman would do.??

[iapetus_rocks]

Please refer to my post above, particularly the sentence beginning with the word "if".

[cherry*135]

How many niqab wearers in Australia do that (If they are trying to make a political statement...)? The ones I have seen are doing the same everyday stuff we all do.

The certainly aren't comparable to shady youth lurking in the shadows or hiding shop lifted goods under their hoodies.

[iapetus_rocks]

The wearing of the form of dress under discussion is as much a political statement as it is a religious one, and is therefore necessarily provocative in a Western democracy.

This thread and the other one are valuable in that they encourage people to think and to read and hopefully then to understand.

The devil in the detail is that some will read and still not understand.

[iapetus_rocks]

Just to clarify my position. I am not worried about the perceived threat to security from someone wearing this form of dress. Not at all.

My concern is  that this form of dress represents a particular view of women (a religious view that women ar not equal to men and  the viewpoint that men are slavering animals, subject to lust and desire which it is the responsibility of women not to provoke, rather than the responsibility of men to consider and restrain).

[the_great_she_elephant]

If they are trying to make a political statement, one which is in opposition to the ideals of a democracy and the equal enfranchisement of women, then yes they are.

So what political message would that be? Look at me, I'm a masochist who loves being oppressed by her menfolk?

[the_great_she_elephant]

Or maybe the political message is "Look at me, I live in a democratic country whre I am free to dress in accordance with my religious beliefs."

[iapetus_rocks]

So what political message would that be? Look at me, I'm a masochist who loves being oppressed by her menfolk?

Now, who was it in the past who made that famous statement (or words to that effect)   . . . You have said it ?

[iapetus_rocks]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Or maybe the political message is "Look at me, I live in a democratic country whre I am free to dress in accordance with my religious beliefs."

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Nice try, but no thinking person is ever going to believe that one. The political message is "I have to dress this way because I am not equal to men who are allowed to dress differently. And I have to dress this way in order not to provoke the men into treating me like a piece of uncovered meat."

There is no freedom to dress in accordance with a religious belief; there is only a religious prescription to do so. A prescription is not freedom.