Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[cherry*135]

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@imastawka wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

Ever seen one of these being worn in Australia?

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 Yep.  When my granchildren were in Primary school, they had a play-date with some

kids whose mum wore a burqa.  Full netting on the eye area.

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Was it blue (the colour of the fabric) though?

Not related to the above posts:

Firstly, for the record almost no Muslim women in Australia wear the burqa, which is the dress commonly associated with places like Afghanistan. Rather, a very small number of Muslim women wear the niqab, which is a face covering that leaves the eyes exposed.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-02/krayem-mccue-the-burqa-ban-call-only-creates-division/5785318

[bushies.girl]

Either way, I think they BOTH look ridiculous in this day and age

[imastawka]

No.    It was not blue.    She wore black,  but still had the netting on the eye area.

Apparently, the blue is for protection from 'the evil eye'.  Whatever that may be

[cherry*135]

Thanks.

The blue burqa (with mesh over eye area) is traditional in Afghanistan.. don't think they are worn here, so just checking.

[jimmy*part4]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

Obviously, "was" is the appropriate word....................... there are still women who wear what pleases their partners.

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Yes and it's called oppression. Male dominance.

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No. If a woman I'm with doesn't like what I'm wearing I have no problem changing it, or anything else that bugs her. I call it consideration.

[bushies.girl]

Slightly different to being told to do so .....

[iapetus_rocks]

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@am*3 wrote:

Yes, already got that from iap*s posts.

Do we always have to account for the 1% or less of people who think a man may be under a burqa? I think not.

Burqa's are blue anyway.

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Hey, I must object. I have never raised concerns re whether it could be a man under the burqa and I even said above that I think the supposed "security issues" are a red herring anyway.

My concern is and always has been with  patriarchal religious systems which hold that women are less than the equals of men, and which finds one form of that expression by "encouraging" their women to dress in a certain fashion; one which inhibits their ability to freely interact with others in society; a dress form which effectively negates them as individual persons and denies them the right to express that individuality via their choice of clothing, make-up and/or hairstyle.

Let's be honest . . . there is not much  no opportunity to express any individuality for a person who dresses in such a manner that even their facial expressions are concealed, let alone their hairstyles.

And these dress forms are not chosen freely. They just are not.

They are dress codes dictated by  a religion which marginalises its' womenfolk, and which even goes on to blame the women if the men are lacking in some basic human decencies; respect being not the least of these.

Why are only the women who dress like ones masked and anonymous, considered worthy of respect in Islam? Why?

[iapetus_rocks]

It's not really respect, is it? At best, it is only conditional respect, and that last word, in inverted commas.

"Respect" ? I see no respect in any system or  (and I can have no respect ) for any system which treats 50% of the human race as inferiors.

[para-slights]

Dress codes are indoctrinated into us too from school to first/adult jobs to "socially acceptable" influenced casual wear. We probably spend most of our lives restricted to a standardized uniform -  man or woman, religious or not.

[iapetus_rocks]

i-need-a-martini wrote:

You would have to be pretty naive to assume that women wear the burqa due to male influence only.

Of the small proportion of women who wear the burqa, some might be due to male domination. In the same way that in Western culture, some women get boob jobs due to male domination.

But to make the WESTERN assumption that women do not have a choice is arrogant.

And what you seem te failing to to see is that by saying we should ban the burqa because it is oppressive is an irony.

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One would have to be pretty ignorant (in the sense of uneducated) to assume that women who wear the burqa all do it from free choice.

Of all of the women who wear the burqa, they do it from the instruction of a male-dominated culture; that of islam, which preches that women are inferior to men. (it is written, look it up)

To make a totally objective observation (no assumptions needed), Islam considers women to be inferior to men and says so in its' scriptures and makes rules about women which highlight this fact.

I do see the irony. Where I I support freedom but at the same time appear to want restrictions. Yes, it's ironic, but I will suffer the accusations and continue to condemn Islam (not Muslims; and I hope you see the distinction) for preaching such patent, discriminatory double-standard b/s.