Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[jimmy*part4]

I've been reading this thread all along and see both sides of yes or no have good points. I was thinking no because if I walked around in a ski mask in the summer I'd be stopped right quick. It just seem unfair to have 2 different sets of rules because 1 group wants to change the way things have always been.

On the other hand....nothing bad has come from these woman wearing these outfits.

Yesterday driving through Brooklyn I saw a lot of women wearing both kinds (the one covering their faces and the one covering everything except their faces). I never noticed it before reading this thread. I was surprised how many I saw and almost took a picture of 3 of them standing together for the photo thread....NOT quick enough!

I get mistaken for a cop sometimes...I bet if they saw me taking a picture they would have REALLY wondered???

[iapetus_rocks]

On the other hand....nothing bad has come from these woman wearing these outfits.

Well, there was this incident.

After being stopped by police last year for not displaying her P-plates, Ms Matthews was ordered to pay $276 in fines and court costs.

She claimed on Channel Seven and allegedly in a statutory declaration to Campbelltown police that the officer who stopped her had attempted to tear the burqa off her face, a claim that was proven untrue by the police patrol car video camera.

A magistrate last year found her guilty of making a deliberately false statement and sentenced her to jail for six months. Ms Matthews appealed, saying there was no proof she was the person in the burqa making the statement and Judge Clive Jeffreys in the District Court yesterday upheld her appeal.

http://www.news.com.au/national/muslim-woman-accused-of-making-false-police-statement-avoids-jail-ov...

[jimmy*part4]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

On the other hand....nothing bad has come from these woman wearing these outfits.

Well, there was this incident.

After being stopped by police last year for not displaying her P-plates, Ms Matthews was ordered to pay $276 in fines and court costs.

She claimed on Channel Seven and allegedly in a statutory declaration to Campbelltown police that the officer who stopped her had attempted to tear the burqa off her face, a claim that was proven untrue by the police patrol car video camera.

A magistrate last year found her guilty of making a deliberately false statement and sentenced her to jail for six months. Ms Matthews appealed, saying there was no proof she was the person in the burqa making the statement and Judge Clive Jeffreys in the District Court yesterday upheld her appeal.

http://www.news.com.au/national/muslim-woman-accused-of-making-false-police-statement-avoids-jail-ov...

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No one was killed though.

But people who are proven to make false claims should face the sentence as the person was facing. Monetary loss included.

[iapetus_rocks]

Well, the point is that the police couldn't prove the woman who made the false declaration was the woman who was charged with the original traffic offence, so on appeal, charges re the false statement were dropped.

[azureline**]

Only because the person taking the statement did not make the woman identify herself. Their mistake.

[iapetus_rocks]

Yes, in hindsight it was a mistake not to have a female police officer confirm the woman's identity.

I doubt they'll make that same mistake again though.

[pct001wine]

An offensive and factually incorrect image that has no place here.  You should take your fears elsewhere.

[azureline**]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

On the other hand....nothing bad has come from these woman wearing these outfits.

Well, there was this incident.

After being stopped by police last year for not displaying her P-plates, Ms Matthews was ordered to pay $276 in fines and court costs.

She claimed on Channel Seven and allegedly in a statutory declaration to Campbelltown police that the officer who stopped her had attempted to tear the burqa off her face, a claim that was proven untrue by the police patrol car video camera.

A magistrate last year found her guilty of making a deliberately false statement and sentenced her to jail for six months. Ms Matthews appealed, saying there was no proof she was the person in the burqa making the statement and Judge Clive Jeffreys in the District Court yesterday upheld her appeal.

http://www.news.com.au/national/muslim-woman-accused-of-making-false-police-statement-avoids-jail-ov...

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She wasn't wearing a burqa...................

The continuation of that statement really proves that people who want it banned, have no idea what a burqa is. IMO.

I think that pic above is inappropriate for this thread and I think it is offensive.

[cherry*135]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

On the other hand....nothing bad has come from these woman wearing these outfits.

Well, there was this incident.

After being stopped by police last year for not displaying her P-plates, Ms Matthews was ordered to pay $276 in fines and court costs.

She claimed on Channel Seven and allegedly in a statutory declaration to Campbelltown police that the officer who stopped her had attempted to tear the burqa off her face, a claim that was proven untrue by the police patrol car video camera.

A magistrate last year found her guilty of making a deliberately false statement and sentenced her to jail for six months. Ms Matthews appealed, saying there was no proof she was the person in the burqa making the statement and Judge Clive Jeffreys in the District Court yesterday upheld her appeal.

http://www.news.com.au/national/muslim-woman-accused-of-making-false-police-statement-avoids-jail-ov...

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She wasn't wearing a burqa...................

The continuation of that statement really proves that people who want it banned, have no idea what a burqa is. IMO.

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Agree.

1. In 2011, Carnita Matthews of Sydney was sentenced to six months jail for making a statement accusing a police officer of attempting to forcibly lift her niqaab, which news sources initially referred to incorrectly as a burqa.

The officer had pulled her over for a random breath test and then ticketed her for failing to properly display a plate indicating that the driver has a provisional licence. Matthews allegedly then submitted a signed complaint to a police station while wearing a niqaab.

Judge Clive Jeffreys overturned the conviction in June 2011, citing what he thought were differences between the signature on her license and that on the complaint. 

She then proceeded to seek legal costs.

NSW new law as a result of above: On 4 July 2011, New South Wales became the first Australian state to pass laws allowing police to demand that burqas (and other head gear such as motorcycle helmets) be removed when asking for identification.

2.  2012 -The woman at the centre of the niqab row has lost her bid for NSW Police to pay her legal costs [$10 000 approx] on the grounds that she was improperly prosecuted.

...She then claimed that the entire prosecution was improper and unreasonable and demanded that NSW Police pay her legal costs.

That claim was rejected by Judge Clive Jeffreys in the Downing Centre District Court today.

AAP reports: The judge said he could not find that the investigation into the alleged offence had been conducted in an unreasonable or improper manner, or that the proceedings had been initiated without reasonable cause.

He noted that different judges might have reached a different decision on the conviction appeal, but it was not possible to say the investigation had been conducted in an unreasonable or improper way.

[punch*drunk]

Perhaps we should start calling them "face covering garments" to save people from being confused, I'm mean lets face it, its not like theres a big difference between a burqa and a niqaab and does it really matter if someone uses the wrong word or is unsure which is which, we all know what they mean. Its like how I keep seeing the comment "how can it be racist, Islam is not a race its a religion", again people know what is meant when the term is used, maybe we need to make up a new word "religionist", would that keep the nit pickers happy?