Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[Anonymous]

found this regarding wearing a hijab:

It was mentioned above that the face need not be covered. If, however, the woman is wearing make-up, she should cover her face, since the make-up is adornment beyond what is permitted.

The outer garment must not be decorative itself or a means of beautification.

When Allah commands women not to reveal their beauty, He means both the natural beauty, with which He has endowed them, and all means which they might employ to enhance that beauty. Clearly, the garment which is used to screen the woman's beauty and her adornment from public view should not itself be a thing of beauty.

http://www.missionislam.com/family/hijab.htm

[azureline**]

So,  not only do you want the burqa banned, you want to tell Muslim women what they should be doing, how to practice their particular faith and when to wear makeup and wax their eyebrows?

Great progress for women's liberation!

[iapetus_rocks]

Well, I don't know if that's really what julia wants, but what I want is for women to cease feeling intimidated into wearing form and face covering dress because of some sort of medieval, male-superior culture where women are not respected and treated as the equals of men.

It's not that I want to mandate a ban on the burka or the hijab, but what I would support is a ban on the wearing of the face-covering niqab.

There is no place in our 21st century Australia for any social institution which  puts pressure on their womenfolk to dress like a bandit when they go out in public.

And they do put such pressure on their women. It's just that a part of that pressure is for women to not  admit that such pressure actually exists.

[bushies.girl]

I couldn't care less how much make up they wear as long as their face isn't partially/totally covered ..... 

[Anonymous]

what?  i dont want the burka banned LOL

where did i say i wanted it banned ??

you can't ban the burka. 

i feel that it is possible that eventually

there will be a law prohibiting face covering

in public places - with the way this crazy world

is going and i dont think the burka should be

exempt but to only ban the burka?  no -

that would be ridiculous.

and i certainly dont want to tell muslim women

what they should be doing  LOL

i do feel iapetus_rocks raised a very good point -

is it ok if i want to comment on it ? LOL

[iapetus_rocks]

Please do 🙂

[azureline**]

Sorry, not necessarily responding to you............. just that you were the last post when I posted.

Women everywhere are pressured into wearing makeup/getting waxed/wearing the latest fashions/dieting/exercising.

It may be men/workplace/school/peers but still pressure.

[lyndal1838]

I live in am area with a fairly high Muslim population   Going to the local shops is quite an education.

There are the middle-aged to elderly women wearing very conservative clothing in muted/drab colours and scarves tightly wrapped round their heads showing as little face as possible.

Then there are the young women...the 30 somethings.   They dress stylishly albeit conservatively, with some of the loveliest scarves I have ever seen.  There is nothing downtrodden about them at all.

Then there are the teens, 20 somethings and young mums.....they dress in some of the most revealing outfits I have ever seen.   Skin tight jeans that leave nothing to the imagination, bare midriffs, sleevless tops, tight t-shirts....all topped off with a scarf and heavy makeup.

It seems to me that they are only paying lipservice to their religion/culture.  I have to wonder if the scarf is only being worn because of pressure from parents or husbands as the rest of their outfits don't even come close to being conservative.

I could not care less what anyone wears but if a woman wants to wear a burqa then she should not be allowed to drive with it on.  Can anyone really see what is going on around them when they are surveying the world through a piece of netting or a slit?   There should also be restrictions on entering banks or other buildings where face covering is unacceptable.  Other than that, they can wear what they want, when they want but should not complain if others steer clear of them.

[iapetus_rocks]

yes, azureline,  women are pressured into wearing make up and fashionable clothes etc, but this pressure from advertising, for commercial interests, all in order to exploit women and make money from them in the process.

The dress code of the face-covering niqab is a pressure exerted by family and the teachings if a certain religion for quite another purpose.

It is to position women as property of men. as chattels, if you will; as second class citizens. and this is not acceptable in civilized western democracies which enshrine (or attempt to, even if only in lip service) the equality of women with men, not their second-class unequal status.

[imastawka]

Then there are the teens, 20 somethings and young mums.....they dress in some of the most revealing outfits I have ever seen.   Skin tight jeans that leave nothing to the imagination, bare midriffs, sleevless tops, tight t-shirts....all topped off with a scarf and heavy makeup.

It seems to me that they are only paying lipservice to their religion/culture.  I have to wonder if the scarf is only being worn because of pressure from parents or husbands as the rest of their outfits don't even come close to being conservative.

Usually they have non- muslim friends (the teenagers, that is)

and they change clothes for the day and then change before going home.

This was common when my daughter was in high school.   

The scarf is, as you say, lip service.