Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

nero_bolt
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Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

 

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

Look what I found on the tube, bunch of Aussie non-Muslims dress up with the burqa and it caused rage to real Muslims:

 


That's not a burqa

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Firstly, for the record almost no Muslim women in Australia wear the burqa, which is the dress commonly associated with places like Afghanistan. Rather, a very small number of Muslim women wear the niqab, which is a face covering that leaves the eyes exposed.

 

 

Secondly, no issue has yet emerged with a Muslim woman, or anyone else, wearing the niqab, who has sought entry to the federal Parliament.

 

However, the most important question is, how is this dress a security threat? If it is because the dress conceals things, then the same argument could be made about many other forms of loose clothing. Where do we draw the line? Who determines whether one's attire is too loose to be considered safe - the security guards, the police, the Speaker of the Parliament or the Prime Minister?

 

The point is that if someone wants to conceal something in their dress, no ban on the burqa is going to prevent this.

 

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-02/krayem-mccue-the-burqa-ban-call-only-creates-division/5785318

 

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

@am*3 wrote:

Yeah, they do.  some said they thought

the burka represented oppression.

others saw it as a barrier.

 

Which has nothing at all to do with feeling intimidation or feeling confronted when faced with being in the same space as a woman wearing a burqa.


 

confront means to face a situation that

makes you feel uncomfortable.  believing

that burka is a symbol of oppression can

make a person feel uncomfortable.

 

intimidating - while i personally would

not use that term i can understand someone

being frightened when in the presence of a person

whose whole body is covered.   that's where the

barrier comes in - not knowing who is behind the

cover.

 

 

(never considered maskaphobia until today)

 


I don't accept that explanation for confront. Feeling uncomfortable doesn't magically turn in to being confronted (confronted by a person walking down the street who doesn't approach you, shout out at you or pay you any attention at all?)

 

Vast difference between intimidating & confront/ed and uncomfortable

 

Confront  - come face to face with (someone) with hostile or argumentative intent.

                  -  To come face to face with, especially with defiance or hostility

 

 

Intimdatefrighten or overawe (someone), especially in order to make them do what one wants
                 -  to force into or deter from some action by inducing fear
 
 

Uncomfortable - causing or feeling unease or awkwardness.

                           - causing or feeling slight pain or physical discomfort 

 
 
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Even before the embarrassing back-down there were problems. For starters, it's not a burqa. A burqa is that particularly Afghan garment, usually blue, with the mesh covering the eyes. The one you've seen on the news (or perhaps on Jacqui Lambie's Facebook page), but almost certainly never in Australia.

 

We're talking about the niqab, common in the Gulf and worn by – my guess – a couple of hundred Australians. I have to guess, because we don't even bother with such basic research before we consider banning such things.

 

It says everything that we can't even get the name right; that merely to be understood in the argument, you must get it wrong. 

 

Of itself, it's not a big deal, but it symbolises the calibre of the public conversation. It's as if we're demanding a pernicious, industrial-scale ignorance. As if we're proud of it. We'll tell these women what their clothing signifies. We'll tell them why they wear it. We'll even rename it for them if we want. These women will be deconstructed and reconstructed at our will, and without their involvement. These are the terms of the debate and the most influential voices will be the most ignorant.

 

Waleed Aly is a Fairfax columnist. He hosts Drive on ABC Radio National and is a lecturer in politics at Monash University.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/burqa-ban-a-political-excuse-for-persecution-20141002-10p0mc.html#ixzz...




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Belgium and France have banned the Burqa and the new Dutch government is considering doing the same.  Critics have charged that the ban is religiously intolerant; some even claim that it’s intolerant of women, but the truth is that the Burqa is dangerous to women. Both those who wear it—and those who don’t.

 

  1. The Burqa Covers Up Abuse

Countries where the Burqa is commonly worn also have higher rates of domestic violence.  In Afghanistan 87% of women reported experiencing domestic violence. In Pakistan that number goes as high as 90 percent. Domestic violence is also a major problem in Saudi Arabia.

 

In cases of domestic abuse, the Burqa doesn’t just isolate the woman, it also covers up evidence of the abuse. It gives the abuser the freedom to brutalize his partner without worrying that anyone will even notice.

This is an especially vital issue in Europe, where spousal abuse is a serious crime, and the abuser has more motivation than ever to cover it up.

 

The Burqa successfully isolates abuse victims, cuts them off from any prospective support networks and prevents anyone on the outside from even realizing what is being done to them.

The Muslim community has been in denial about its rates of domestic abuse. The Burqa is one reason why. It’s easier not to see abused women, when they are segregated and the marks of their abuse are kept out sight.

 

  1. The Burqa Justifies Sexual Assault on Women Who Don’t Wear It

In response to a gang rape, the Chief Mufti of Australia said, “If she was in her room, in her home, in her Hijab, no problem would have occurred.” By wearing the Burqa or Hijab, women participate in a narrative that gives rapists a pass for sexual assaults on women who don’t dress the way the Mufti or Imam says they should.

The Koran gives a similar justification for a head to toe covering for women, “O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies that they may thus be distinguished and not molested.” (Koran 33:59)

 

This distinction between women who can be ‘molested’ and those who cannot is what makes the Burqa such an explosive addition to Europe—which is already suffering from a high rate of Muslim sexual assaults on non-Muslim women.

The Burqa divides women into “good girls” and “whores” and gives potential rapists, religious ammunition for their crimes.

Banning the Burqa protects women who choose not to wear it from being assaulted because of their perceived immodesty.

 

  1. Civic Participation

The essence of a modern society is that it extends civic participation to everyone. Deliberately preventing an entire gender from participating in society as identifiable individuals is an assault on the democratic character of the state.

 

Individuals are recognizable through personal attributes. Remove those attributes and you remove the individuality as well. The Sahih Bukhari relates that one inspiration for the Burqa was that one of Mohammed’s followers was able to recognize one of his wives at night. The implication is that the Burqa is meant to prevent such recognition from taking place. Women are not meant to be recognized as individuals. Or to be empowered to make their own decisions.

 

The Burqa is designed to impede interaction outside the home. The failure to be recognized as an individual is dehumanizing and deprives women of their role in civic life.

 

Countries where the Burqa is in wide use have low rates of female civic participation. In Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to vote. In parts of Pakistan, women are not allowed to vote as well. In Afghanistan women were shunted into female only polling stations, or forced to vote by proxy through a male family member.

 

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So why were the Muslim guys offended?  As one of them said "It's a free country",  Then everyone should be able to dress how they like, whether it offends the Muslims or not.

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http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-hides-real-issues-under-the-burqa-20141002-10p5zi.html

 

The burqa is a terrible threat to Australia. Who'd a thunk it? But I can put a hard currency value on that threat if you want. Eight billion dollars a year. That's not the cost of new security measures at Parliament House to prevent al-Qaeda or ISIS transvestites sneaking past the front desk in their cunning murder frocks.



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Some of the comments here leave me gobsmacked and thinking some need to stop reading what the media prints, aiming for what appears to cause senseless panic in their readers.

How many women have ever entered Parliment buildings dressed the bugua? An MP reported none.

One of the most caring and nicest women I have met sat next to me when I fly back from Brisbane. She reassured me, chattedabout all sorts and placed her hand on my arm to help calm me as I hate flying, something she sensed once seated.

She wore the full burqa with gloves. Elegantly spoken and obviously well educated. Several times she and her husband touched hqnds across the aisle. ...a token of their love for each other. 

 

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Twinks, I don't like them them and would hate to have to wear them myself, but this thing about people who wear them being evil is  just ridiculous imo

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Of course you would have high domestic abuse in those countries with high poverty and little educational programs. You would find similarities of domestic abuse in poorer suburbs of Australia. So far the only people who have something to fear are the poor Muslims from irate Australians (who are more told to be irate than can actually justify). A video of upset people about Australians mocking the dress - I remember the furore trying to see The Last Temptation Of Christ (at least it wasn't in a Paris cinema where Molotov cocktails were thrown) and the anger and death threats and vandalism when the Victorian Gallery dared to show the painting P*ss Jesus. There are radicals within every group we shouldn't make everyone suffer fear because of the actions of a few. Plus the government is milking this for a heap of reasons.

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