Shroud of Turin shown amid new research

[catsnknots]

This is something I would love to go and see... don't know if it is real or not but I still think it would be amazing. 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/shroud-of-turin-shown-amid-new-research/story-fn3dxix6-1226609705959

THE Shroud of Turin has gone on display for a special TV appearance amid new research disputing claims it's a medieval fake and purporting to date the linen some say was Jesus' burial cloth to around the time of his death.

Pope Francis sent a special video message to the event in Turin's cathedral, but made no claim that the image on the shroud of a man with wounds similar to those suffered by Christ was really that of Jesus. He called the cloth an "icon," not a relic - an important distinction.

"This image, impressed upon the cloth, speaks to our heart and moves us to climb the hill of Calvary, to look upon the wood of the Cross, and to immerse ourselves in the eloquent silence of love," he said.

"This disfigured face resembles all those faces of men and women marred by a life which does not respect their dignity, by war and violence which afflict the weakest.

"And yet, at the same time, the face in the Shroud conveys a great peace; this tortured body expresses a sovereign majesty."

Many experts stand by carbon-dating of scraps of the cloth that date it to the 13th or 14th century. However, some have suggested the dating results might have been skewed by contamination and have called for a larger sample to be analysed.

The Vatican has tiptoed around just what the cloth is, calling it a powerful symbol of Christ's suffering while making no claim to its authenticity.

The 4.3-metre-long, one metre-wide cloth is kept in a bulletproof, climate-controlled case in Turin's cathedral, but is only rarely open to the public. The last time was in 2010 when more than two million people lined up to pray before it and then-Pope Benedict XVI visited.

It was only the second time the shroud has gone on display specifically for a TV audience; the first was in 1973 at the request of Pope Paul VI, the Vatican said.

The display also coincided with the release of a book based on new scientific tests on the shroud that researchers say date the cloth to the 1st century.

The research in "The Mystery of the Shroud," by Giulio Fanti of the University of Padua and journalist Saverio Gaeta, is based on chemical and mechanical tests on fibres of material extracted for the carbon-dating research.

An article with the findings is expected to be submitted for peer-review, news reports say.

[the_bob_delusion]

Just for interest Quilts. Do you believe Jesus bodily rosed from the dead, or do you believe he rosed spiritually like grandma and grandpa or do you take that verse as a metaphor???

[azureline**]

thunder, lightening, the sun, Earth, all the different species on Earth, plenty of other stuft. There's virtually hundreds of thousands or even million of stuft that we had no explanation for in the past that it seemed impossible, so far EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM turned out to have naturallistic explanation for. Happy?

No, not really, those things have had an explanation for many years......got nothing that equals the Shroud?

[azureline**]

just for interest.....

Belief in the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is essential doctrine in the Catholic Church. Some of my personal beliefs are a little different to what I have been taught but.... not going to put them on here.......

[the_bob_delusion]

thunder, lightening, the sun, Earth, all the different species on Earth, plenty of other stuft. There's virtually hundreds of thousands or even million of stuft that we had no explanation for in the past that it seemed impossible, so far EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM turned out to have naturallistic explanation for. Happy?

No, not really, those things have had an explanation for many years......got nothing that equals the Shroud?

THunder lightening etc, etc were an absolute mystery in the past. Because we know now, it doesn't seem that impressive to you. Let me give you an example people used to hang and burn witches because they had no natural explanation for why people were getting sick and dying .  THerefore it had to be the witches. Guess what it turned out to be. 

Give me something we've now worked out, anything that has a supernatural explanation for?

[*crikey*mate*]

Bob, did you ever consider that maybe Science and Religion are the same thing? Religion is mans way of explaining the unexplainable until Science is able to explain it? That maybe one day, Science will prove "God" ie the force or energy source that created the world?

the energy source had to come from somewhere. 

Ive just ordered a copy of the book Charriotts of the Gods. Can't wait to read it. 

[the_bob_delusion]

just for interest.....

Belief in the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is essential doctrine in the Catholic Church. Some of my personal beliefs are a little different to what I have been taught but.... not going to put them on here.......

NO it is not. Show me where it says that.  Even Paul the Apostle doesn't believe that, he believed in the spiritual resurrection. 

Can you confirm your above statement that you can't be a Christian unless you believed in the bodily resurrection of Jesus. 

[nevynreally]

THunder lightening etc, etc were an absolute mystery in the past. Because we know now, it doesn't seem that impressive to you. Let me give you an example people used to hang and burn witches because they had no natural explanation for why people were getting sick and dying .  THerefore it had to be the witches. Guess what it turned out to be. 

Give me something we've now worked out, anything that has a supernatural explanation for?

Yes, but science has yet to prove how the shroud was made. 

[the_bob_delusion]

Bob, did you ever consider that maybe Science and Religion are the same thing? Religion is mans way of explaining the unexplainable until Science is able to explain it? That maybe one day, Science will prove "God" ie the force or energy source that created the world?

the energy source had to come from somewhere. 

Ive just ordered a copy of the book Charriotts of the Gods. Can't wait to read it. 

You do know the definition of religion right??? It's a set of beliefs based on NO EVIDENCE. or faith. Science is not based on Faith. 

Religion actually claims to explain the unexplainable until science gets it. How does that mean they're the same thing??? 

If your definition of God is some force or energy, that's fine. 

You need to define God before I can actually have a discussion with you. If GOd is simply a force we don't know about then it may be consistent with science. 

[the_bob_delusion]

Yes, but science has yet to prove how the shroud was made. 

I agree. What's your point?

[azureline**]

NO it is not. Show me where it says that.  Even Paul the Apostle doesn't believe that, he believed in the spiritual resurrection. 

Can you confirm your above statement that you can't be a Christian unless you believed in the bodily resurrection of Jesus. 

Stone me... but I did not at any time ever say that.