So now we have horses over-running the VIC Alps

Word has got out the due to the destructiveness ( organic maintenance of native pasture land ) of wild horses shredding ( adding manure to the soil and suppressing weeds in open ground) of the Alpine region , all claimed 5,000 of them ( count them, nellie , buck, sammy...) within only 5,199 sq kms of high country wilderness , (only half of Melbourne metro area) the decision has been made to remove them with extreme prejudice

 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/melbourne/cattleman-loses-bid-to-stop-a-massive-shooting-cull-of-wild...

 

I sort of think that the sight of a small herd of wild horses cavorting in a small hidden valley is somehow majestic 

 

 

 

 

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:


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2 game wardens, 7 hunters and a cow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQyoSLOlglw

 


You gotta love Tom Lehrer

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, maybe a paid safari style hunt - make it interesting and challenging - large calibre gun , no ambushing , must stalk within 50 meters for a clean shot.

Be a big money spinner for the state - as hunters fly in from all over the world for the contest

reduce the herd and still allow enough to maintain a reminder of the past , a picture of freedom of noble animals


Seriously?  Big Game hunting in the Australian Alps?  A trigger happy rich idiot behind every 2nd tree?  Have you ANY idea what you're proposing?

 

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Probably not,  given  the thought processes or lack thereof in former posts. 

 

 


That is why the stalk to 50 meter rule - takes extreme skill , success makes the effort worthwhile , and plenty of trophy for the evening bbq and festivities 

I sound callous but if they are going to die anyhow be better under more equal conditions 

Shot from helicopters by contractors and left to rot is so industrial...I think we can do better ( to late for the camels though )

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That is why the stalk to 50 meter rule - takes extreme skill , success makes the effort worthwhile , and plenty of trophy for the evening bbq and festivities 

I sound callous but if they are going to die anyhow be better under more equal conditions 

Shot from helicopters by contractors and left to rot is so industrial...I think we can do better ( to late for the camels though )


Time for an early night roges.  Sleep well. 

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What ever it is you are smoking...you need to stop now.

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@bright.ton42 wrote:

 

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That is why the stalk to 50 meter rule - takes extreme skill , success makes the effort worthwhile , and plenty of trophy for the evening bbq and festivities 

I sound callous but if they are going to die anyhow be better under more equal conditions 

Shot from helicopters by contractors and left to rot is so industrial...I think we can do better ( to late for the camels though )


Time for an early night roges.  Sleep well. 


why ? game hunting is a profitable international business in Africa - and at least some horses would survive , at the moment none will 

- and again a little more history lost , or the sight that might bring to mind an aspect of history , the role of horses in the high country 

Add a few wild oxen , rover's shacks built along the trails , guided tours hiking or horse back , photographic or hunting ( in season) 

 

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@bright.ton42 wrote:

 

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That is why the stalk to 50 meter rule - takes extreme skill , success makes the effort worthwhile , and plenty of trophy for the evening bbq and festivities 

I sound callous but if they are going to die anyhow be better under more equal conditions 

Shot from helicopters by contractors and left to rot is so industrial...I think we can do better ( to late for the camels though )


Time for an early night roges.  Sleep well. 


why ? game hunting is a profitable international business in Africa - and at least some horses would survive , at the moment none will 

- and again a little more history lost , or the sight that might bring to mind an aspect of history , the role of horses in the high country 

Add a few wild oxen , rover's shacks built along the trails , guided tours hiking or horse back , photographic or hunting ( in season) 

 


Ummm, this is Australia. And horses, being globally ubiquitous, don't have the same cachet as the big five. None of which exist outside of Africa, and most of which can't be legally shot.

 

You seem to equate history with white man's raping of the ecology. History? Of what? The destruction of unique ecologies?

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@davewil1964 wrote:

@rogespeed wrote:

@bright.ton42 wrote:

 

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That is why the stalk to 50 meter rule - takes extreme skill , success makes the effort worthwhile , and plenty of trophy for the evening bbq and festivities 

I sound callous but if they are going to die anyhow be better under more equal conditions 

Shot from helicopters by contractors and left to rot is so industrial...I think we can do better ( to late for the camels though )


Time for an early night roges.  Sleep well. 


why ? game hunting is a profitable international business in Africa - and at least some horses would survive , at the moment none will 

- and again a little more history lost , or the sight that might bring to mind an aspect of history , the role of horses in the high country 

Add a few wild oxen , rover's shacks built along the trails , guided tours hiking or horse back , photographic or hunting ( in season) 

 


Ummm, this is Australia. And horses, being globally ubiquitous, don't have the same cachet as the big five. None of which exist outside of Africa, and most of which can't be legally shot.

 

You seem to equate history with white man's raping of the ecology. History? Of what? The destruction of unique ecologies?


Actuallly in Africa, at least some areas,  the big five can be legally hunted - because those areas still have the big five because hunting safaris pay for the secure upkeep of those reserves - the licenses are not cheap, with the life of poachers much less if caught...however the payments pay the wages of locals in conservation activities , those who might normally risk poaching and subsequent  total destruction of various species - so hence a viable wildlife population is maintained.

Maybe not the most noble of motivations but under the circumstances of limited national finances and/or resolve is an effective solution 

 

The brumbie horse issue could likewise be organised with modified rules to create challenge , as they are not generally dangerous , however are flighty and alert

 

Most big game taken is just an execution with little involved skill or danger - like shooting a semi-tame wallowing water buffalo

 

My personal idea is where personal stalking skills are pitted against the defensive skills of the game - whereby your stealth gets you within easy range of their defenses , one mistake and you are detected and loose, and in the case of dangerous animals within their striking range , one mistake of you could be mained or dead.

Now that is hunting  

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Maybe they could teach them social distancing. No foals.
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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Maybe they could teach them social distancing. No foals.

Are brumby foals vealers if destined for the bbq ? 

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Anyhow today Parks-VIC got voted against and now the case has been submitted the Appeals Court

 

 

I tend to agree that 25,000 wild horses within the Australian alps might be to much - although i wonder would the fires there have been worse if no horses keeping the grasses down ? Just a thought.

 

from last month

 

 https://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/court-decision-clears-way-for-brumby-culls-20200508-...

 

 

 

 

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