on โ04-01-2013 08:50 AM
It wasn't that long ago we were arguing this with many saying the sexes were treated equally. And others saying there is no reason for feminism.
Well here is a good reason for women to stand up for their rights:
THE pay gap between male and female university graduates is growing with figures showing the difference more than doubled to $5000 last year.
A study released by the Australian government's Workplace Gender Equality Agency found the median gap in starting salaries for graduates increased from $2000 in 2011 to $5000 last year.
The disparity was the largest in architecture and building occupations, at 17.3 per cent. The starting salary for male graduates was $52,000 compared with $43,000 for women.
Female dentistry graduates earned 15.7 per cent or $14,000 less than men whose median starting salary was $92,000.
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The starting salary for female law graduates was $50,700 compared with $55,000 for men.
The agency's research executive manager, Carla Harris, said there was no adequate explanation for the difference. ''There's absolutely no logical reason why a male graduate would be seen as better than a female graduate.''
Dr Harris said all businesses should review their starting salaries to ensure they were fair. ''We need to fix the culture and embedded discrimination within our companies.''
An associate professor in architecture and design at RMIT, Esther Charlesworth, said architecture had traditionally been a ''pretty blokey profession''.
''There is a perception that male architecture graduates are more useful because they can be on site dealing with contractors,'' she said.
Dr Charlesworth, who finished her degree in 1989, said most of the women she graduated with were no longer practising architects. She said architecture had since become more welcoming for women but men still occupied the top positions at large firms.
An associate professor in management at Monash University, Anne Bardoel, said graduates should be recognised for their work rather than gender. ''If somebody is actually doing the work, whether they're male or female, they should be getting the same pay,'' she said.
Professor Bardoel said the findings were surprising given that female students often outperformed their male peers.
Monica Hope, who finished her law studies in 2011, said disparity in pay had never been an issue she had considered. She began working as a junior lawyer last July and had never experienced any gender gap in her pay.
''I've never been noticeably faced with any inconsistency at all,'' she said. ''I really haven't felt that pay rates for men and women has been a consideration.''
on โ04-01-2013 03:54 PM
debates whether I should participate
Why not? ?:|
Oh yeah! I recall you were one of those that didn't believe that sexism in the workplace occurred weren't you?
on โ04-01-2013 03:55 PM
When graduate positions are advertised the salary is usually in the advt. If a female or male applies they would get the same salary.
Only in the public sector. Private sector rarely advertises salary particularly for professional positions. Even graduates are expected to negotiate a starting salary.
There are publicsector graduate jobs advt too, banks, engineering firms, they usually have a salary or salary range included.
I am talking about the graduate jobs that are advertised enmasse in about Mar/April each year for positions that start the Feb of the following year.
Yes Bob, contribute.
on โ04-01-2013 03:56 PM
correction: There are public PRIVATE sector graduate jobs advt too....
on โ04-01-2013 03:57 PM
I am talking about the graduate jobs that are advertised enmasse in about Mar/April each year for positions that start the Feb of the following year.
I think you will find that the positions that advertise are the ones that don't have the discrepancies (medicine for example).
Those industries mentioned in the article never advertise a salary unless for jobs no one wants.
on โ04-01-2013 03:59 PM
debates whether I should participate
Why not? ?:|
Oh yeah! I recall you were one of those that didn't believe that sexism in the workplace occurred weren't you?
I don't remember, you must ask Eve what I said.
Ofcourse sexism occurs in the work place against women and against men. Men and women are different. We are different physically have different wants and needs. I wouldn't expect male and female salary to be the same.
on โ04-01-2013 04:06 PM
I thought it was law now that all vacant positions had to be advertised?
(I could be wrong)
I used to work for a company that encouraged internal promotion before external employment, but the job always had to be advertised first, even if they already had a candidate in mind that they were going to employ.
on โ04-01-2013 04:10 PM
We are different physically have different wants and needs. I wouldn't expect male and female salary to be the same.
Oh really?
So why should my starting salary as a designer be different to a male designer? What physical qualities does he need in preference to mine?
What about a lawyer? What about a dentist?
on โ04-01-2013 04:13 PM
I thought it was law now that all vacant positions had to be advertised?
Only in public sector as far as I am aware.
My office gets weekly at least 10 new hopefuls who send in their resumes and up to 5 calls a day in February through to June. All of them employable.
The one time we advertised last year we got hundreds of applications and not one was suitable enough to interview. Every application went into the bin. ๐
on โ04-01-2013 04:22 PM
We are different physically have different wants and needs. I wouldn't expect male and female salary to be the same.
Oh really?
So why should my starting salary as a designer be different to a male designer? What physical qualities does he need in preference to mine?
What about a lawyer? What about a dentist?
OK, on average men work more hours a week than women for the same job. Women take more days off a year than men. Men take more risk than women and work in more hazzardous or more demanding jobs less women want to do.
Regarding dentists. They are paid based on their productivity PERIOD. Men are more productive in general than women therefore they get paid more. That has nothing to do with gender.
Ofcourse there're incidences where women are discriminated for exactly the same work load. That's life, it happens. But don't tell me you expect all cases for men to be paid the same as women.
on โ04-01-2013 04:22 PM
I just had a quick google - looks like you are correct Martini ๐
ie: Public sector has to advertise externally....