I saw a bloke about 30 years ago, wear a t-shirt with this logo.
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@***super_nova*** wrote:
@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:Yes, just had a look at satalite view - both 2 and 4 have pools - luxury.
Why should people living in these place not have some little luxury? They are some 70km (?) from the beach, they cannot afford holidays, so for couple of hundreds of dollars they give the kids some fun and relief from the heat in summer.
and where did I say anything detrimental about that? The families living in those 2 homes could be employed and doing well - I don't know.
by the way, we never went to the beach either. Mt Druit does have a pool though - or at least it did - maybe they stole it.
@bella_again wrote:I dont mean to sound harsh, but taking control of their lives sounds good in theory, but they need to understand that not everyone gets opportunities, not everyone will get a job, not everyone will succeed.
So what should they do then give up? What's the point of living if you can't dream if you can't hope for something better? Hang on I'm probably reading that wrong, to a point you are right not every one will have the same opportunity that is true. But that doesn't mean we can't give them purpose, something to be involved in, something to be a part of. Knowing not everyone will have a job or the same opportunities means we have to get more productive in another way that's why I say lets look at employment differently.
People should be encouraged to contribute to their community where able, to be a part of something bigger, that is what gives them purpose. It can be something as simple as starting a community garden, where people can pick vege and fruit etc when needed, or participating in local community groups that make a difference. They need ownership of something to have purpose, something they can be a part of.
My two adult children have an intellectual disability, they are involved in their community regardless of the fact they will probably never work, they volunteer and they do what ever they can to make a difference. If they can do that with moderate intellectual disability these people can do far more, they just need the means, the support and a reason to do it.
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I understand where you are coming from, and I didnt intend to offend anyone, as Im sure its everyones right to have dreams..my point was that having a dream isnt enough- there needs to be action and intent.
Someone in an earlier post made a comment about their backyards- why arent they taking care of their properties? growing vegetables to eat- surely that would be help with their budget and give them a purpose? Perhaps people need to be taught simple things- get back to basics..Im sure most people reading this forum, to one extent or another has gone without to build something up.
Whether its a mortgage, or a new car, or a holiday, or doing a job they disliked, they have gone without to have better for themselves and their families in the future.
Having a life takes work, for some its bl**dy hard work, and one of the rewards is self esteem..perhaps its too difficult for me, or the wrong forum to express this.
PS bella,
I admire your two children- they must be a credit to you and your parenting- and Im sure you are very proud of them.
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Lets face it, there are people that live there that think the world owes them a living, they are poorly educated and not given a good start in life, that doesn't mean it is impossible for them, it becomes socially acceptable for them to behave this way.
I think a lot of the issues surrounding this is being confronted with the truth. I'm not sure that the whole suburb was branded, obviously not everyone is like those in the story. Even though where I live is branded a certain way, the reality is that it's a working class suburb.
