Supporters of sharia law to ‘get out’ of Australia.

[nero_bolt]

Do you agree......??? 

JACQUI Lambie wants those in Australia who support sharia law to “pack up their bags and get out of here”.

The Palmer United Party Senator is also calling for them to be kicked off government benefits and not be allowed to vote in this country.

The outspoken Tasmanian, whose recent comments about the threat of a Chinese communist invasion caused a stir, this morning turned her sights on sharia law supporters.

“Anybody that supports Sharia law in Australia should not have the right to vote, should not be given government handouts and should probably pack up their bags and get out of here,” she told reporters in Hobart.

“Anybody supporting or calling for sharia law in Australia can get out. Simple as that.”

Earlier on radio 3AW Senator Lambie praised the Coalition for raising the country’s terror alert level to high — a move she said should have probably happened months ago.

But she warned she was more worried about veterans being “pushed back into the war zone” without adequate help when they returned, while “supporters of sharia law are allowed access to government benefits”.

“We are giving government benefits to those under sharia law … and I simply believe that those supporters who support sharia law should not have the right to vote with their allegiance to a foreign power.”

Senator Lambie said sharia law was “an underlying problem” in Australia.

“Unless we put our foot down on it now it’s only going to become bigger and more dangerous well into the future.”

The former veteran has previously called for a Royal Commission into the Defence Force and the Department of Veterans Affairs.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/jacqui-lambie-calls-for-supporters-of-sharia-law-to-g...

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@lightningdance wrote:

I wonder, if living under the repressive and cruel sharia law then why did thousands of muslims come here to live? im pretty sure muslim women do  not want to be ruled by that law.

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What specific law exactly?

Muslim women (and men) in Australia fall under Australian laws.It doesn't matter what the Koran says - or indeed what the Bible says - because federal laws over-ride anything that it says in the Koran (or the Bible).

Yes, in some Muslim countries women are not allowed the vote. But not in Australia.

Yes, in some Muslim countries, girls are not allowed to be educated. But not in Australia.

Yes, in some Muslims countries (and in accordance with the Koran) a man can take 4 wives. But not in Australia.

Yes, in some countries all property belongs to the man. But not in Australia.

Yes, in Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive. Not so in Australia.

Yes, in some Muslims countries women are not allowed to leave the house without a male. Not in Australia.

Do you get the picture or do you need more examples?

I should also point out that Sharia law is applied as a governing system in only a smattering of countries. 6 or 8?

[softail-joanie]

I had to read one of the replys to even know what this "sharia law" thing is, and after reading it, I just don't know if I can believe something like that actually exists. Sure, I can see maybe a single durranged man trying to enforce this on one or more people, and some others accepting it, or excusing it, or denying it,  I've had similar dealings with the police here, but for a whole culture or community to accept this and enforce it on all women? for some reason, I just can't see it happening.

But as said in another reply, it would depend on exactly what "support" means as to if or not I agree. I believe in the first amendment, no matter how unpopular the free speech might be, so long as it don't get past that, fine.

[tall_bearded01]

This discussion is not, nor has it ever been about allowing people belonging to religious minorities to voluntarily follow the code of conduct laid down by their religion, just as long as that code doesn’t conflict with existing Australian law.

What this discussion is all about is what should be the community’s attitude be towards those who argue an exemption exists when it comes to their religion. That is, those who argue that people of their faith should be exempted from Australian law, and instead bound by laws of their faith.

Now the reality is, the historical data clearly shows what happens when the laws to which an individual is bound is determined by ones religion or ethnic origins, because that is exactly what was happening in Europe, and in fact we abandoned, about thousand years ago.

That is, history shows no cohesive society can exist where the individuals within it are bound by different laws and on that basis alone, any call to make Sharia law binding on Muslims in Australia, should be, and must be resisted; unless of course someone successfully argues that we as a national as a whole, agree to be bound by Sharia law.  Somehow I doen't see that happening any time soon.

[i-need-a-martini]

No sharia law exists in this country.

No Islamic group in this country is or has ever called for the government to chage it's law to Sharia laws.

Muslim being asked (in any country) to follow Sharia principles in it's every day life is no different to Christians being asked to follow Christian principles.

There is no call for Sharia law in this country. This is a non issue

[tall_bearded01]

So in your opinion those Islamic fundamentalist minority groups, which even the mainstream Islamic community in Australia say exists and regularly publically condem, you know the ones that are recruiting and brainwashing Australians to fight for the Islamic State, don’t exist.

In the alterative, if you accept they exist, why do you find it so hard accept that these said same groups hold themselves and their followers bound by Sharia Law, and are on the public record as saying, where there is conflict between Australian Law and Sharia Law, Sharia Law takes precedence.

Blinkers - Blind

[azureline**]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

and what if they are Australian by birth? and have no country to "go back to"

did she say to go back to or just get out?

obviously to those places governed by sharia law.

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so, get out, to where? other countries don't just let you live there..............

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r u kidding?  immigrating in order to adopt 

sharia law - they'd be welcomed with open arms 

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

and what if they are Australian by birth? and have no country to "go back to"

did she say to go back to or just get out?

obviously to those places governed by sharia law.

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so, get out, to where? other countries don't just let you live there..............

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r u kidding?  immigrating in order to adopt 

sharia law - they'd be welcomed with open arms 

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where exactly? and how will they apply?

[go-tazz]

A lot of that was changed later on as the subjugating of women by men using the law to their own ends

developed.

This is the earlier version:

• Usually, an individual became an adult at puberty.
• A man could marry up to four wives at once.
• A wife could refuse to accompany her husband on journeys.
• The support of an abandoned infant was a public responsibility.
• A wife had the right to food, clothing, housing, and a marriage gift from her husband.
• When the owner of a female slave acknowledged her child as his own, the child became free. The child's mother became free when the owner died.
• In an inheritance, a brother took twice the amount as his sister. (The brother also had financial responsibility for his sister.)
• A husband could dissolve a marriage by repudiating his wife three times.
• A wife could return her dowry to her husband for a divorce. She could also get a decree from a kadi ending the marriage if her husband mistreated, deserted, or failed to support her.
• After a divorce, the mother usually had the right of custody of her young children.
• • adultery: death by stoning.
  • highway robbery: execution; crucifixion; exile; imprisonment; or right hand and left foot cut off.
  • theft: right hand cut off (second offense: left foot cut off; imprisonment for further offenses).
  • slander: 80 lashes
  • drinking wine or any other intoxicant: 80 lashes.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@tall_bearded01 wrote:

So in your opinion those Islamic fundamentalist minority groups, which even the mainstream Islamic community in Australia say exists and regularly publically condem, you know the ones that are recruiting and brainwashing Australians to fight for the Islamic State, don’t exist.

In the alterative, if you accept they exist, why do you find it so hard accept that these said same groups hold themselves and their followers bound by Sharia Law, and are on the public record as saying, where there is conflict between Australian Law and Sharia Law, Sharia Law takes precedence.

Blinkers - Blind

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Where did I say fundamentalist groups don't exist? The world is full of fundamentalist groups doing crazy things. 

But there are some on here that seem to think that Sharia Law = violence just because some fundamentalist group has gone off the deep end. 

Sharia Law is a moral code that does exactly what the Christian Bible does - it explains how to live you life.

It tells you to be respectful to your neighbours, to take care of your parents as they get older, to give to those less fortunate, not to have sex before you get married, eat a healthy diet for a long life etc. THAT is the Sharia law most Muslims live for.

It's a bit like that other book of rules. You know the one - the Bible? That's the one you probably live your life by. Lucky for us you haven't taken the most obscure passages out of your Bible and followed some of those rule or you would be in prison right now.

Muslims adher to the Sharia Law in the Koran in the same way Christians adgere to the rules spelled out in the Bible.

It is no different.

Should Norway ban the 10 Commandments because some nutcase guns down 80 people in the name of Christianity?

Should American ban the 10 Commandments beause the Army of God go around bombing abortion clinics and murdering doctors in the name of Christianity?

Of course not. The analogy is EXACTLY the same. Just because some fundamentalist group does something because of some misguided belief that their religion has told them to, does not make the religion and it's rules (Islamic or Christian) bad.

[tall_bearded01]

Just responding to your “No Islamic group in this country is or has ever called for the government to chage it's law to Sharia law”,

Now, I have never, in this post or any other place asserted the vast majority Muslims living in Australia see Sharia as anything other than a code. But the fact remains that within that group exists a dangerous minority who see Sharia in a different light. They see it as a law handed down by God and as such they have a right to impose on others. A group whose very existence of which, your previous post seems to deny.

[lightningdance]

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@tall_bearded01 wrote:

So in your opinion those Islamic fundamentalist minority groups, which even the mainstream Islamic community in Australia say exists and regularly publically condem, you know the ones that are recruiting and brainwashing Australians to fight for the Islamic State, don’t exist.

In the alterative, if you accept they exist, why do you find it so hard accept that these said same groups hold themselves and their followers bound by Sharia Law, and are on the public record as saying, where there is conflict between Australian Law and Sharia Law, Sharia Law takes precedence.

Blinkers - Blind

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Correct, Sharia Law is anathema to the free thinking woman. Sharia law was introduced in Afghanistan after the war and women died by the 1000's were stoned to death and starved on the street at the hands of the Taliban who imposed Sharia. Women were less valuable than dogs under the taliban and sharia.

Sharia cannot be tolerated in the 21st century or any other century for that matter. Sharia should be fought agains in any western country at all costs. Sharia is practiced in secret in this country, by a few,  that is a fact.

Trying to equate sharia to any modern religion is sickening and appeasing in the extreme.

Sharia is against humanity in all forms and in the hands of men it's women and humanity who suffer.