on 11-02-2015 09:24 AM
Police have arrested two suspected ISIS terrorists who were alleged to have wanted to behead a member of the public.
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/02/11/two-arrested-in-sydney-on-beheading-plot.html
The way I see it, is that althougfh they profess to have links to ISIS, are they just wannabe terrorists claiming to be part of ISIS?
And how many other terrorist attacks around the world, claiming to be on behalf of ISIS, are actually wannabes - in a desperate attempt for notoriety?
When it all boils down, the acts themselves are truly disgusting, and cannot be condoned - but are those who commit them truly ISIS?
What are your thoughts?
on 11-02-2015 09:30 AM
What constitutes "truly ISIS?"
They are being radicalised by various Islamic groups who are calling them up to fight the cause for Islam.
ISIS is an Islamic organisation fighting for the cause of ISIS
These recent 2 may be individual cases but they are acting for the common cause.
And they don't like the West.
on 11-02-2015 09:34 AM
They need to stop giving them headlines and notoriety, call them what they are.................... murderers and terrorists. Nothing more, nothing less.
on 11-02-2015 11:06 AM
@curmu-curmu wrote:Police have arrested two suspected ISIS terrorists who were alleged to have wanted to behead a member of the public.
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/02/11/two-arrested-in-sydney-on-beheading-plot.html
The way I see it, is that althougfh they profess to have links to ISIS, are they just wannabe terrorists claiming to be part of ISIS?
And how many other terrorist attacks around the world, claiming to be on behalf of ISIS, are actually wannabes - in a desperate attempt for notoriety?
When it all boils down, the acts themselves are truly disgusting, and cannot be condoned - but are those who commit them truly ISIS?
What are your thoughts?
my thoughts are that we should
wait and see:
Ms Burn said police were trying to determine if the men were in contact with anyone from IS.
Police have claimed the two men arrested by counter-terrorism officers planned to carry out an attack on the community yesterday.
Deputy Commissioner Catherine Burn admitted the force did not know anything about the men, aged 24 and 25, just hours before the arrests were carried out at a Fairfield residence on Riverview Road just after 4pm yesterday afternoon.
"These men were not on our radar," she said.
Ms Burn said police had seized a machete, a knife, a flag "representing" terrorist group ISIL, and a video which showed a man talking about carrying out an attack.
She said the attack was planned as "revenge" for incidents overseas.
"The type of act that we will allege was going to take place is consistent with IS messages," she said, referring to another acronym used to describe the militants.
She said police had been forced to act quickly to stem what she believed would have been a violent attack on Australian soil.
"We received information that an attack was imminent and we acted," she said.
Asked if the men were planning a beheading, she said: "We don't really know what act they were going to commit".
"It was likely to involve one of the items which we seized which was a knife and it was going to involve a person."
ISIL has in the past urged homegrown extremists to carry out attacks on Western police and other authority figures.
The group has also become notorious for its filmed beheadings of hostages.
Ms Burn said the men posed no further threat to the community, but emphasised the need for the public to come forward with any information.
"The concerning thing is that it represents the nature of the environment we currently face," she said.
"We are ready, willing and more than able to respond to disrupt the plans of those who think they can engage in what can only be described as hideous offences so strongly opposed by the community."
The men will face Fairfield Local Court today charged with plotting to carry out a terrorist act.
Ms Burn said police were trying to determine if the men were in contact with anyone from IS.
"We are conducting further investigations. Yesterday, our focus was to act on information that we received about something that was imminent," she said.
"We believe that we have stopped that threat from occurring. However, there are further investigations that now we will need to follow through."
The officers who carried out the arrest were from Operation Castrum, which is composed of officers from the Joint Counter Terrorism Team Sydney and members of the Tactical Operations Unit.
on 11-02-2015 11:13 AM
@azureline** wrote:They need to stop giving them headlines and notoriety, call them what they are.................... murderers and terrorists. Nothing more, nothing less.
are you saying the public
should not have been informed
and the press conference not
held?
it appears that it was the community's
efforts that led to the arrest. we need
to be informed and aware. cant afford
not to be.
"The concerning thing is that it represents the nature of the environment we currently face," she said.
Deputy Commissioner Catherine Burn admitted the force did not know anything about the men, aged 24 and 25, just hours before the arrests were carried out at a Fairfield residence on Riverview Road just after 4pm yesterday afternoon.
"These men were not on our radar," she said.
thank god someone that knew
something acted on the information.
on 11-02-2015 11:35 AM
@azureline** wrote:They need to stop giving them headlines and notoriety, call them what they are.................... murderers and terrorists. Nothing more, nothing less.
or call them something else?
http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/uae-air-force-launches-air-strikes-against-daesh-targets-1.1454652
11-02-2015 02:06 PM - edited 11-02-2015 02:07 PM
@*julia*2010 wrote:
@azureline** wrote:They need to stop giving them headlines and notoriety, call them what they are.................... murderers and terrorists. Nothing more, nothing less.
are you saying the public
should not have been informed
and the press conference not
held?
it appears that it was the community's
efforts that led to the arrest. we need
to be informed and aware. cant afford
not to be.
"The concerning thing is that it represents the nature of the environment we currently face," she said.
Deputy Commissioner Catherine Burn admitted the force did not know anything about the men, aged 24 and 25, just hours before the arrests were carried out at a Fairfield residence on Riverview Road just after 4pm yesterday afternoon.
"These men were not on our radar," she said.
thank god someone that knew
something acted on the information.
No, if you want to say that, go right ahead, what I said was: They need to stop giving them headlines and notoriety, call them what they are.................... murderers and terrorists. Nothing more, nothing less.
on 11-02-2015 02:39 PM
@bcaau_as1hft wrote:
@azureline** wrote:They need to stop giving them headlines and notoriety, call them what they are....................
Yes we do need to call them what they are...MUSLIMS who hate us and want to kill us as their religion can not exist or support our way of life...
so these people are muslims....
No. 'Muslims' is too much of a generalization. It would be the same as labelling all christians as religious zealots.
The majority of those who worship in either faith are non-aggressive - but there are extremists in every religion.
Maybe not as violent as the ISIS extremists, but many other religions have histories of violence, too...
And I think that much of the current ISIS buffoonery, is more politico-religious in nature.
on 11-02-2015 03:36 PM
@bcaau_as1hft wrote:
@azureline** wrote:They need to stop giving them headlines and notoriety, call them what they are....................
Yes we do need to call them what they are...MUSLIMS who hate us and want to kill us as their religion can not exist or support our way of life...
so these people are muslims....
Go and stand in the naughty corner for 1 hour. Then write 100 times "ISIS has nothing to do with Islam". You'll start to believe it by then.
on 11-02-2015 03:52 PM