Taking mock compassion too far.

[poddster]

Ok we have had the "Poor Illegal Refugee" the "Poor Dole Bludger" the "Poor whatever" thread so now what about the "Poor Self Inflicted Addict" thread.

We may as well add them to the taxpayers  burden as well. We can cater for their "special needs" out of the bottomless pit of our national debt.

[icyfroth]

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@joz*garage wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@poddster wrote:

What happens when the ones "needing" support exceed the providers?

The trend is that more and more "need" to depend on others for their "needs", they claim that it is their "right"

You are concerned, you better be the time is fast approaching.

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The government should be tackling drug addiction from the other end, from where it begins. Heightened border security and stricter monitoring of suspect money transactions, tougher laws including execution of known drug dealers.

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you may wanna add the alcohol and the tobacco industry to the list and the governments whom benefit  by taxing them

you recmomend that for your grandson too?! good lawd

& what vile thread against the addict

but attitudes ive come to expect from soulless idiots

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I understand the involvement of alchohol and tobacco. I've always said that these should be restricted as well, if not banned, which is unlikely.

However, alcohol and tobacco are small fry against the epidemic of escalating drugs such as ice, ecstacy, heroin and cocaine.

We don't even mention marijuana, which is again a small player compared to above.

There seems to be a misconception here about my statements about execution and my drug addicted grandson.

I don't wish execution on the poor boy. I love him.

For that reason, I believe it would be a kinder death for those supplying him with drug to be executed, than live through the slow death that my sweet, handsome boy, who is going through this slow decline into death through drugs, is going through.

I'm  sorry if you and others don't understand this. Obviously you have your own reasons for not grasping my meaning.

[lionrose.7]

Icy people only took it that way because of how you wrote it.

I am glad you have verified the way you really feel and hope your Grand son does get over and help for his addiction

[donnashuggy]

I don't think the blame can be put completely onto either the dealer or the user. It was this statement that confused posters I think icy:

An execution would be much kinder than the misery he's going through, and the sorrow of his family.

[***super_nova***]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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However, alcohol and tobacco are small fry against the epidemic of escalating drugs such as ice, ecstacy, heroin and cocaine.

We don't even mention marijuana, which is again a small player compared to above.

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Do you have any valid data to support that claim?  As far as I know the cost to society is far higher for alcohol&tobacco than illegal drugs.  It is just that nobody bothers to report on yet another death from smoking or alcohol related death. 

Also, the data used to suggest that most heroin addicts by the age of 35 are either dead or not shooting up.  Maybe now with various methadone programs some may keep on going after 35.  Of-course, people who spent their 20s injecting and in jail will not achieve in their life what they could have if they instead studied and worked, make up for the lost time is not possible, but that does not mean they cannot become productive members of our society.

How old is your grandson Frothy?  Have you tried him on the Naltrexone program?

[donnashuggy]

The other thing is through AA willpower nicotine patches etc people who smoke and drink overcome their addictions. People that are addicted to food go on diets, everyone can change their ways and illegal drug users have the same hope.

Alcohol abuse can be detrimental and life threatening just like smoking and over eating.

[donnashuggy]

Actually isn't obesity our largest killer because of the diseases it causes? I think more so than smoking.

[j*oono]

Obesity is a huge problem in Australia (pardon the pun) but the really scary thing is that one in four children in Australia are overweight or obese.

[donnashuggy]

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@j*oono wrote:

Obesity is a huge problem in Australia (pardon the pun) but the really scary thing is that one in four children in Australia are overweight or obese.

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And ridiculing them instead of showing compassion and giving them treatment would in most cases be counterproductive. I just recently signed the Jamie Oliver petition about educating kids about food in primary school.

[*pepe]

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@poddster wrote:

In that case glee, I'll ask you the same question.

How much compassion would you feel for the drug crazed addict who is twisting your arm behind your back and holding a knife at your throat?

It's all so easy to sprout "compassion" from afar so that you can kid yourself that you are above the rest. 

Would that "compassion" take a powder if a druggie got up close and personal with you. 

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You seem to have a very black and white concept of human emotion.

There are so many grey areas.

Of course in the moment compassion would be overshadowed by fear and loathing for what is happening to you, but when its over and you have time to think it is entirely possible to hate what this person did to you without hating the person, its possible to hate the person yet still feel bad for them and want better things for them.

There is no 'one size fits all' for each person or each scenario.
To not understand this is to be close minded.

[icyfroth]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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However, alcohol and tobacco are small fry against the epidemic of escalating drugs such as ice, ecstacy, heroin and cocaine.

We don't even mention marijuana, which is again a small player compared to above.

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Do you have any valid data to support that claim?  As far as I know the cost to society is far higher for alcohol&tobacco than illegal drugs.  It is just that nobody bothers to report on yet another death from smoking or alcohol related death. 

Also, the data used to suggest that most heroin addicts by the age of 35 are either dead or not shooting up.  Maybe now with various methadone programs some may keep on going after 35.  Of-course, people who spent their 20s injecting and in jail will not achieve in their life what they could have if they instead studied and worked, make up for the lost time is not possible, but that does not mean they cannot become productive members of our society.

How old is your grandson Frothy?  Have you tried him on the Naltrexone program?

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They have to be willing to attend/participate in "programs". They can't be forced once they're over the age of 21.

What makes you think we haven't tried?

Organisations like Headspace, Boystown, Salvation Army, can only do so much.

For many, the oblivion of drugs is easier than the pain of rehabilitation.