on 12-01-2014 12:25 PM
Teacher sacked for putting a student in a head lock despite being punched by the youth says staff are powerless
TEACHER who was sacked for misconduct including putting a student in a headlock after the youth punched him said the NSW education system left teachers "powerless to discipline kids".
Science and agriculture teacher Stephen Krix was fired from Riverstone High School when he fought back against a year-10 student who refused to work and punched him in the face during a class.
Mr Krix - a "squarely built" 51-year-old who had worked in various public and private teaching roles since 1989 - told The Sunday Telegraph he acted in self-defence when he put the "slight" student in a headlock during a science class in May 2011.
The incident came after the student refused to take off his headphones, told Mr Krix to f*** off several times and punched the teacher when he stood close to him with a worksheet and refused to move
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The incident was outlined in the NSW Industrial Relations Commission last Wednesday where Mr Krix lost an appeal against the sacking he claimed was "harsh, unreasonable and unjust".
In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Krix, who now works in the security industry, said the public system was failing kids because teachers feared being sacked if they disciplined students.
He said students were leaving public schools without the self-restraint required to cope with post-school life.
It's a joke - that's why people are running to private schools," Mr Krix said.
"Eighty per cent of kids are screwed over by the state system because of a lack of discipline given to a minority of bad kids who disrupt classes," he said.
"You have to have zero tolerance … if a kid is behaving badly in the classroom he needs to be extracted and all the kids that are behaving themselves need to be able to get educated."
In relation to the student, Mr Krix said: "It's not like he's some sort of pathological killer … he's just a kid who needed discipline and wasn't getting it. If he's given the guidelines then he knows where the boundary is".
A NSW Department of Education and Communities representative told the commission Mr Krix should have stood down from any physical confrontation.
The representative said the Teaching Service Act meant that teachers had to respond to situations with the safety of students being the top priority.
A very true comment from a poster on that page....
The day will come when no one will want to become a high school teacher...it has been getting worse for years now.
Education will be via the internet for a teacher's safety .T
he students hold the power .
Has anyone got the guts to swing this around...I doubt it.
Then again, anyone who wants to become a secondary teacher in the public system ,I guess, deserves all that is coming their way if they haven't heeded the warning signals by now to AVOID this once great profession!
Solved! Go to Solution.
on 12-01-2014 05:03 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:This is is the stupidist thing I ever heard. The teacher has the right to self defense and to stop further attack on himself. The teacher should be reinstated and promoted. The student should be charged with assault and forced to repeat the school year and given the strap.
Since you don't know either the student, the teacher, the school, its principal or even how much of the story is true, I would respectfully suggest that you are not an a position to make any pronouncements on the subject, one way or the other. Were you to preface your remarks with the word IF then they might carry more weight.
The teacher is in a position of authority, kids have no right to assault the teacher. In my day if I even swore at a teacher we used to get 50 beltings. No one dared!
12-01-2014 05:07 PM - edited 12-01-2014 05:08 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:This is is the stupidist thing I ever heard. The teacher has the right to self defense and to stop further attack on himself. The teacher should be reinstated and promoted. The student should be charged with assault and forced to repeat the school year and given the strap.
Since you don't know either the student, the teacher, the school, its principal or even how much of the story is true, I would respectfully suggest that you are not an a position to make any pronouncements on the subject, one way or the other. Were you to preface your remarks with the word IF then they might carry more weight.
I would venture that nobody here knows the teacher, the school, or the student, yet are happy to pass comment one way or the other, she-el, so putting IF in front of anyones comments would make a nonsense out of the whole thread.
Your own comment is irrelephant and carries no weight at all. Which to an elephant may be seen as an insult. Sorry.
on 12-01-2014 05:08 PM
@ufo_investigations wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:This is is the stupidist thing I ever heard. The teacher has the right to self defense and to stop further attack on himself. The teacher should be reinstated and promoted. The student should be charged with assault and forced to repeat the school year and given the strap.
Since you don't know either the student, the teacher, the school, its principal or even how much of the story is true, I would respectfully suggest that you are not an a position to make any pronouncements on the subject, one way or the other. Were you to preface your remarks with the word IF then they might carry more weight.The teacher is in a position of authority, kids have no right to assault the teacher. In my day if I even swore at a teacher we used to get 50 beltings. No one dared!
And by the same token, teachers have no right to assault kids - and we only have an article in a sensationalist magazine to tell us what really happened anyway.
I am intriguesd bytthese 50 beatings you claim to have received if you swore at a teacher - were they all carried out on the same day, over a week or a term, or at random intervals throughout the school year?
on 12-01-2014 05:10 PM
on 12-01-2014 05:11 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@ufo_investigations wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:This is is the stupidist thing I ever heard. The teacher has the right to self defense and to stop further attack on himself. The teacher should be reinstated and promoted. The student should be charged with assault and forced to repeat the school year and given the strap.
Since you don't know either the student, the teacher, the school, its principal or even how much of the story is true, I would respectfully suggest that you are not an a position to make any pronouncements on the subject, one way or the other. Were you to preface your remarks with the word IF then they might carry more weight.The teacher is in a position of authority, kids have no right to assault the teacher. In my day if I even swore at a teacher we used to get 50 beltings. No one dared!
And by the same token, teachers have no right to assault kids - and we only have an article in a sensationalist magazine to tell us what really happened anyway.
I am intriguesd bytthese 50 beatings you claim to have received if you swore at a teacher - were they all carried out on the same day, over a week or a term, or at random intervals throughout the school year?
I can report, the stick was about 1 inch thick and about 4 feet long. It was thrust onto your bum, repeatedly and the full 50 at once. Not many kids misbehaved. The punishment was swift and when the parents went to the school they'd get more beltings from them.
on 12-01-2014 05:11 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@lakeland27 wrote:
@lind9650 wrote:
@*mrgrizz* wrote:
@lakeland27 wrote:the boy would be excluded usually . if the teacher was sacked its as a result of going too far, he needs to be sacked. if a teacher had my son in a headlock he'd be dealing with me.
and if your son punched me, you would be dealing with me
Me too!
If my son would have punched a teacher because he wanted hom to take the earplugs out , my son would have gotten more than just a headlock from me.
Discipline and respect has to be taught at home, and if that fails, I blame the parent.
Erica
you aren't a teacher , and if you were you'd be sacked too. the method is kicking him out, not headlocks.
You don't have to be a teacher to discipline your own kids and I'd like to know how you get a kid throwing punches under control enough for "kicking him out" if you don't use some sort of force?
Would you sweet talk him?
I'm curious how many schools a kid can be expelled from before there are no schools left to take them?
If education is compusory, then how can they expel?
Here our public schools are zoned, so your address determines the public school that you have to attend.
How do these kids get expelled?
on 12-01-2014 05:13 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@lakeland27 wrote:. you ask him to leave the classroom. you call for the HM and the police if he won't go, if the teacher was just defending himself he'd still have a job too.. the article omits some detail, the teacher must have done more than stated in the article above. how tight was the headlock on this 'slight framed' boy ? did the teacher cut off his air supply and choke him out ? i'll bet thats what it is.
Oh you "ask him to leave the classroom"! Is that before or after he's (the "slight framed boy") punched you (the big bad teacher) in the head?
You "bet" the teacher cut off his air supply.
You don't know but that's what you'd like to believe?
LOL at "ask him to leave".
I hope they remember to say "please".
on 12-01-2014 05:14 PM
I would venture that nobody here knows the teacher, the school, or the student, yet are happy to pass comment one way or the other, she-el, so putting IF in front of anyones comments would make a nonsense out of the whole thread.
Your own comment is irrelephant and carries no weight at all. Which to an elephant may be seen as an insult. Sorry.
No offence taken, Icy. Of course the whole thread is a nonsense - it is the online equivalent of back fence gossip. That has been the whole point of all my posts.
on 12-01-2014 05:18 PM
on 12-01-2014 05:19 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@lakeland27 wrote:. you ask him to leave the classroom. you call for the HM and the police if he won't go, if the teacher was just defending himself he'd still have a job too.. the article omits some detail, the teacher must have done more than stated in the article above. how tight was the headlock on this 'slight framed' boy ? did the teacher cut off his air supply and choke him out ? i'll bet thats what it is.
Oh you "ask him to leave the classroom"! Is that before or after he's (the "slight framed boy") punched you (the big bad teacher) in the head?
You "bet" the teacher cut off his air supply.
You don't know but that's what you'd like to believe?
the rest of the posts are based on assumptions . are mine not allowed because the assumptions are different ?