on 12-01-2014 12:25 PM
Teacher sacked for putting a student in a head lock despite being punched by the youth says staff are powerless
TEACHER who was sacked for misconduct including putting a student in a headlock after the youth punched him said the NSW education system left teachers "powerless to discipline kids".
Science and agriculture teacher Stephen Krix was fired from Riverstone High School when he fought back against a year-10 student who refused to work and punched him in the face during a class.
Mr Krix - a "squarely built" 51-year-old who had worked in various public and private teaching roles since 1989 - told The Sunday Telegraph he acted in self-defence when he put the "slight" student in a headlock during a science class in May 2011.
The incident came after the student refused to take off his headphones, told Mr Krix to f*** off several times and punched the teacher when he stood close to him with a worksheet and refused to move
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The incident was outlined in the NSW Industrial Relations Commission last Wednesday where Mr Krix lost an appeal against the sacking he claimed was "harsh, unreasonable and unjust".
In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Krix, who now works in the security industry, said the public system was failing kids because teachers feared being sacked if they disciplined students.
He said students were leaving public schools without the self-restraint required to cope with post-school life.
It's a joke - that's why people are running to private schools," Mr Krix said.
"Eighty per cent of kids are screwed over by the state system because of a lack of discipline given to a minority of bad kids who disrupt classes," he said.
"You have to have zero tolerance … if a kid is behaving badly in the classroom he needs to be extracted and all the kids that are behaving themselves need to be able to get educated."
In relation to the student, Mr Krix said: "It's not like he's some sort of pathological killer … he's just a kid who needed discipline and wasn't getting it. If he's given the guidelines then he knows where the boundary is".
A NSW Department of Education and Communities representative told the commission Mr Krix should have stood down from any physical confrontation.
The representative said the Teaching Service Act meant that teachers had to respond to situations with the safety of students being the top priority.
A very true comment from a poster on that page....
The day will come when no one will want to become a high school teacher...it has been getting worse for years now.
Education will be via the internet for a teacher's safety .T
he students hold the power .
Has anyone got the guts to swing this around...I doubt it.
Then again, anyone who wants to become a secondary teacher in the public system ,I guess, deserves all that is coming their way if they haven't heeded the warning signals by now to AVOID this once great profession!
Solved! Go to Solution.
on 19-01-2014 05:27 PM
@am*3 wrote:az's post was in response to the news article posted that preceded her post.
Student that punched a teacher who was subsequently fired for putting him in a headlock feels no remorse
Goes to show people overeact when they haven't even read the thread properly.
Yes, but this is a forum, some people would be like me, read every now and then, post when something stirs them to post, and may have missed the subtle hints that we're reading things wrong. Happens less in face to face conversations, but still happens. Not really a biggie.
on 19-01-2014 05:28 PM
I'm not keen to get in on the whole subject, but can someone explain how the teacher of 30 whatever years experience is a probationary teacher?
I'm not making an argument, just wondering.
on 19-01-2014 05:28 PM
So what happened with the other teacher ? Was she reprimanded for leaving half her class unattended?
98 It is not to the point that the students involved were not Mr Krix's students. It is not to the point that another teacher had left the students unattended. Mr Krix was in charge of a potentially very dangerous experiment. It was incumbent on Mr Krix to control the experiment and control the students. Mr Krix under no circumstances should have been absent from the immediate site of the experiment while flammable fuels were burning and accessible. He already knew by July that he was at a school where unruliness was to be expected; he had had the experience, for example, of two earlier incidents with Jarrad O'Hanlon.
99 To turn his back on flaming petrol while students - and year 9 boys at that - stood around them was grossly negligent in a teacher. That there was unsecured fuel in his utility on school grounds was also inappropriate, but the central error was to leave the obviously dangerous experiment unattended, even for a minute.
100 Mr Krix said in his account of the matter to the Department 'none of the students were misbehaving until that fateful minute'.
101 However, on the evidence Mr Krix brought in his own case that is simply not true.
on 19-01-2014 05:30 PM
@lurker17260 wrote:I'm not keen to get in on the whole subject, but can someone explain how the teacher of 30 whatever years experience is a probationary teacher?
I'm not making an argument, just wondering.
prior misconduct I think
19-01-2014 05:30 PM - edited 19-01-2014 05:31 PM
@lurker17260 wrote:I'm not keen to get in on the whole subject, but can someone explain how the teacher of 30 whatever years experience is a probationary teacher?
I'm not making an argument, just wondering.
I am sure that was because his previous employers were private schools, this job was at a Public School. Therefore he was on put on probation like any new teacher to the system.
19-01-2014 05:33 PM - edited 19-01-2014 05:35 PM
Yes, but this is a forum, some people would be like me, read every now and then, post when something stirs them to post, and may have missed the subtle hints that we're reading things wrong. Happens less in face to face conversations, but still happens. Not really a biggie.
And some people (speaking generally not aimed at anyone) just like to skim a thread to find something ( targetting certain posters) they can have a go at. Not positive contributions to any thread, just disruptive.
on 19-01-2014 05:33 PM
@lurker17260 wrote:I'm not keen to get in on the whole subject, but can someone explain how the teacher of 30 whatever years experience is a probationary teacher?
I'm not making an argument, just wondering.
I understand he was previously employed at private schools. As a new employee of the NSW Education Dept he would be on probation for a period before being employed permanently. It is no reflection on his experience as a teacher.
on 19-01-2014 05:37 PM
@am*3 wrote:
Yes, but this is a forum, some people would be like me, read every now and then, post when something stirs them to post, and may have missed the subtle hints that we're reading things wrong. Happens less in face to face conversations, but still happens. Not really a biggie.
And some people (speaking generally not aimed at anyone) just like to skim a thread to find something ( targetting certain posters) they can have a go at. Not positive contributions to any thread, just disruptive.
I understand that, but I also read the post the same way, it wasn't very clear?
19-01-2014 05:39 PM - edited 19-01-2014 05:41 PM
It was clear to those that had been following the thread.
Perhaps if it wasn't clear to those skimming the thread they could have looked back to see what the poster was going on about.
Besides the reponse was derogatory. Why not politely ask the other person who they were referring to?
This teacher was dismissed by the school he worked for. He appealed that decision and lost. What will use will a petition to get him reinstated do?
on 19-01-2014 05:47 PM
@am*3 wrote:It was clear to those that had been following the thread.
Perhaps if it wasn't clear to those skimming the thread they could have looked back to see what the poster was going on about.
Besides the reponse was derogatory. Why not politely ask the other person who they were referring to?
This teacher was dismissed by the school he worked for. He appealed that decision and lost. What will use will a petition to get him reinstated do?
I read the whole thread. Still viewed that post the way Icy did. Really no into the forum wars. Viewed it as an honest misunderstanding, not a volley to a war. Didn't think the response was all that derogatory. But that's my opinion only.