@crikey*mate wrote:
Hey! I didn't make education our 3rd biggest export!
No you didn't. We can thank the LIberal Party for that doosey too.
Really? So why didnt Labor do anything to fix it? You kinda keep avoiding that question.
However, our International students are what helps to keep the costs of education down for our own students.
Umm where do you get that from?? I learned it at university in my Bbus and again now in BCom.Australian students are paying incredible amounts of money to get an education in our unis. Oh, ok. and our places aren't subsidized? Ok. You do realize that atm many of the ICT courses are classified as a natiional emergency and cost about $400 a year each? (Other degrees and courses too - how long since you went to Uni? You know there are 4 different fee structures now, don't you? And whilst we accept more international students, there are less places for our own. Even more so after Pyne made his announcement early this week about capping placements again. Good. My Nephew got into Uni on an OP 18. Our standards need to be raised. He can't even be bothered turning up, so why do the likes of him even deserve a place to begon with, Another Nephew was offered a place in a BEd on an OP of 16.
Our universities are so ridiculously crowded that the entry requirements for Australians is so ridiculously high that in my last year of teaching, nearly 2/3 of the Australians were full paying students. When was your last year of teaching? Cos as it is now, the International Students pay a whole lot more than we do.
So lets say that each year had 200 students. We had a 40% (and rising) target for internationals .2/3rds were full fee paying. That means only 40 Australian students actualy get a placement based on their secondary school resuts. But those places aren't free. For deisgn students (one of the lowest fee courses), that still amounted to $2000-$2500 per course x 5 courses a semester. That's ridiculous. I only pay that for my Law courses and Business courses at my primary uni and they are on the highest band - band 3. I do some courses through Bond which is private and I pay about $5000 a course there.
For every full fee paying International student, it offsets the costs for 6 of our own.
Umm. definitely no.
I'll let them know
In the school system, those 6 kids are "free" for the Gov. They don't have to find the money to pay for them.
Free uni? Where? I said the school system as in opublic schooling. It also forms part of our Education export
I wonder what happens to the international students if they are not given places in our uni's?
They would try and get into the LIMITED and much harder to get places offered by the US and UK. Unfortunately we are an easy target for overseas students. When I was teaching, if I ever asked the OS students why they chose UTS, they always sais it was because they couldn't get into equivelent universities and colleges in the US and UK.
Ahhh, so there may be some merit in trying to raise the standards of our universities, eh? You Tube Brigette Big Brother o7. Primary School Teacher qualifying at the end of this year - coming to a school near you in a minute.....
My point is that it's all interwoven. We're not self sufficient. We can't be if we hope to compete with the rest of the world.
Very few countries pander to overseas paying students at the expense of their own education. Australia is unique in this regard.
Perhaps we don't have the skills base and to keep university as a viable option for those aussie kids that do want to go, we have to make some concessions?
We don't pander to the internationals over our own - that is rediculous. IMO the internationals raise the standards and expectations - so maybe one day our standards will be on equal footing with the rest of the world.
