on 03-10-2015 02:24 PM
YEP! I warned over 5 years ago that this was coming also.It gets worse.All of this is in the Bible.There is a religious war coming soon.Sorry to advise but the atheists lose.
It turns nuclear.
on 09-10-2015 10:17 PM
@opmania wrote:
Poms never hardly do
Because its in their best interest
Not to considering they still
Get a uk pension even after
Being in Australia for 50 years
I thought that was the Greeks.
I understand that the Aussie pension is reduced according to how much UK pension is received.
on 09-10-2015 10:23 PM
@opmania wrote:
The average man in the street
Has no choice and are unfortunately
Stuck with these people who
Would be terrorists
You on the other hand seem
To relish there presence here
And one would have to ask
Why?
An underdog to stick up for, whether they need sticking up for or not.
on 09-10-2015 10:26 PM
Yes its the same for greeks
Poms I'm sure benefit from
This arrangement financially
Otherwise they wouldnt bother
Stuffing around with centrelink
And if you've lived in a country
For 50 years married a man
From that country and had
5 children to him why else wouldn't
You unless you had somehing
To gain from it
When others that come here
Gain citizenship after the mandatory
Two years
on 09-10-2015 10:33 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@*julia*2010 wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:Why?
read the comment you initially
responded to.
immigrants do not need to resort
to any of that.
so, which one are you?
I was an immigrant and I 'resorted' to it - child endowment, medicare, free education for my kids and now a pension - I got the lot. The only thing I didn't do was take out citzenship, so perhaps that redeems me.
It actually makes you a leech.
My parents came from another country. Collected nothing from the government, ever, became citizens as soon as they could.
09-10-2015 10:43 PM - edited 09-10-2015 10:45 PM
It used to be that Australia needed immigrants so that they would work and help to build and develop our country.
These immigrants were usually skilled at some trade or had other qualifications which would make them attractive to a small but growing young country.
These days immigrants (often in the form of refugees) are needed to swell the ranks of the unemployed, thus having the effect of placing a downward pressure on wages growth.
(It's "good for the Economy")
I used to work in a profession which regularly advertised for people from other countries to come here to work. The industry said they couldn't find enough suitable Australians to do the job. So, instead of providing more affordable and suitable education for the Aussies here and offering them more attractive working conditions and salaries, workers from overseas are encouraged to come here instead. (this is still the case)
The net effect is that these new workers earn many times more than what they would have earned at home. That's the good news.
The bad news is that these new workers from overseas will work for less (or at least, will not agitate for more), leaving Aussie workers effectively competing with them for a job and struggling to gain even the meanest improvement to their wages and working conditions.
My point is that there is far more than just an humanitarian reason for our govt to encourage an increase in our immigration quotas.
on 09-10-2015 10:54 PM
I for one am proud to be an
Australian citizen
I was born here and I love
Everything that this country
Stands for
The standards that have been
Set for the welfare of animals
And how they have been slaughtered
It disgusts me that I have to and
Infact do not knowingly eat food
That is halal certified
That people can come into this
Country as refugees and try to
Dictate to us how we live our lives
I would rather starve to death
And all the while pretence of
Such innocence .
It would be so easy for the mainstream
Muslims in the community to report
Radicals to authorities
Yet they dont
They rather their children trot off
And get killed in the glory of allah
on 09-10-2015 11:10 PM
@opmania wrote:I for one am proud to be an
Australian citizen
I was born here and I love
Everything that this country
Stands for
The standards that have been
Set for the welfare of animals
And how they have been slaughtered
It disgusts me that I have to and
Infact do not knowingly eat food
That is halal certified
That people can come into this
Country as refugees and try to
Dictate to us how we live our lives
I would rather starve to death
And all the while pretence of
Such innocence .
It would be so easy for the mainstream
Muslims in the community to report
Radicals to authorities
Yet they dont
They rather their children trot off
And get killed in the glory of allah
Okay, but, personally, not that proud of you either.
on 09-10-2015 11:27 PM
The dilemma for some Muslims in Australia is that if they report other Muslims whom they suspect of maybe having an involvement in radical Islam, they are demonstrating a loyalty to a govt of an infidel country while at the same time, betraying members of the Umma.
This has been a problem for rulers/govts for ages.
To whom do the people owe their primary allegiance; to their God or to their State? . . . and what happens when there exists a conflict of loyalties?
Or, what happens where no conflict exists at all and it is accepted that loyalty to the god and the religion supercedes all other loyalty obligations?
on 09-10-2015 11:32 PM
@iapetus_rocks wrote:The dilemma for some Muslims in Australia is that if they report other Muslims whom they suspect of maybe having an involvement in radical Islam, they are demonstrating a loyalty to a govt of an infidel country while at the same time, betraying members of the Umma.
This has been a problem for rulers/govts for ages.
To whom do the people owe their primary allegiance; to their God or to their State? . . . and what happens when there exists a conflict of loyalties?
Or, what happens where no conflict exists at all and it is accepted that loyalty to the god and the religion supercedes all other loyalty obligations?
I think you mean the loyalty goes with the dollars. Seems to be so from She-El's post
on 09-10-2015 11:36 PM
No, I meant just what I wrote.
Should loyalty to one's god (and religion) take precedence over loyalty to one's State?