The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

[azureline**]

This is disgraceful and I can only hope the people who are in charge fix this asap.

An asylum seeker who was moved off Nauru to give birth is being locked up for 18 hours a day in a detention centre in Brisbane while her week-old baby remains in hospital with respiratory problems.

The case of Latifa, a 31-year-old woman of the persecuted Rohingya people of Myanmar, has shocked churches and refugee advocates.

She was separated from her baby on Sunday, four days after a caesarean delivery, and has since been allowed to visit him only between 10am and 4pm in Brisbane's Mater Hospital. The boy, named Farus, has respiratory problems and needs round-the-clock medical care.

Latifa is confined to the Brisbane Immigration Transit Accommodation, 20 minutes away, where her husband and two children, four and seven, are being held.

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Latifa's husband, Niza, is not allowed to visit the child at all, according to people in daily contact with the family.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asylum-seeker-mother-kept-from-newborn-baby-in...

[izabsmiling]

it looks to me like they were once again in a desperate situation.

[*crikey*mate*]

remind me again what the purpose of seeking assylum is?

[azureline**]

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
Gosh I can be a nasty cow sometimes. Azure, that first line in a comment I made which is at the top of my page was petty and totally uncalled for and I apologise to you. I would delete it but I think that would be cowardly of me.

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Thank you for the apology.Not sure which post you mean as my page is set to maximum posts but apology accepted regardless.

Chuk let me know about this, as I had no intention of posting here again, after saying so.

I am not hurt, upset or angry, just don't want to be embroiled in a disgreement about this, in a personal way. The thread was posted because I was appalled that this could happen in Brisbane, today.

I think Australians are better that that, that we can give asylum seekers empathy, consideration and the same care we get ourselves in difficult circumstances. It may mean this little boy grows up with a healthy respect for this country..... or not.

[izabsmiling]

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@my*mum wrote:

remind me again what the purpose of seeking assylum is?

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Who are asylum seekers and refugees?

An asylum seeker is a person who has fled their own country and applied for protection as a refugee.

The United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, as amended by its 1967 Protocol(the Refugee Convention), defines who is a refugee and sets out the basic rights that countries should guarantee to refugees. According to the Convention, a refugee is a person who is outside their own country and is unable or unwilling to return due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted because of their:

• race
• religion
• nationality
• membership of a particular social group or
• political opinion.

Asylum seekers or refugees and migrants have very different experiences and reasons for moving to another country. Migrants choose to leave their home country, and can choose where to go and when they might return to their home country. Asylum seekers and refugees, on the other hand, flee their country for their own safety and cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves.

 https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-and-refugees#who

http://www.unhcr.org/protect/PROTECTION/3b66c2aa10.pdf

[**meep**]

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@my*mum wrote:

remind me again what the purpose of seeking assylum is?

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to find a safe place of refuge?

[izabsmiling]

a safe Country and also (according to the 1967 protocol) one that meets it's obligations?

[*crikey*mate*]

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@izabsmiling wrote:

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@my*mum wrote:

remind me again what the purpose of seeking assylum is?

____________________________________________________________________________________

Who are asylum seekers and refugees?

An asylum seeker is a person who has fled their own country and applied for protection as a refugee.

The United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, as amended by its 1967 Protocol(the Refugee Convention), defines who is a refugee and sets out the basic rights that countries should guarantee to refugees. According to the Convention, a refugee is a person who is outside their own country and is unable or unwilling to return due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted because of their:

• race
• religion
• nationality
• membership of a particular social group or
• political opinion.

Asylum seekers or refugees and migrants have very different experiences and reasons for moving to another country. Migrants choose to leave their home country, and can choose where to go and when they might return to their home country. Asylum seekers and refugees, on the other hand, flee their country for their own safety and cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves.

 https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-and-refugees#who

http://www.unhcr.org/protect/PROTECTION/3b66c2aa10.pdf

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so how does this equate with her pregnancy as a reason to seek asylum in Australia?

whilst incredibly sad and definitely a reason for concern and fear, better resources is not a consideration for Asylum or Refugee Status.

There are many, many incredibly sad and heart wrenching situations around the world and I truly wish that we could help every single one of them, so that they too can benefit from the amazing resources that my citizenship of Australia grants to me. However, as our recources are not unlimited, we simply cannot extend this to everyone, so a selection process is required.

If one wants "better resources" then to claim Assylum is in fact illegal. They need to go through the legal chanels of Immigration Application.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@izabsmiling wrote:

a safe Country and also (according to the 1967 protocol) one that meets it's obligations?

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and specifically, what are our obligations?

I believe that our obligations are to provide Asylum, not a lifestyle choice or access to preferred resources. If one is seeking better resources, then they need to follow the guidelines for Immigration and not illegally claim asylum or refuge.

An asylum seeker is a person who has fled from his or her country and seeks legal and physical protection (asylum) as a refugee in another country.

A refugee is a person who has fled his or her country and cannot return because of a well-founded fear of persecution due to their race, religion, nationality or membership of a particular social group. Fear of persecution is the basis of refugee claims. Refugees cannot maintain ties with their homeland for emotional, social and financial needs.

A migrant is a person who has left his or her country voluntarily to make a new life in a new land. In Australia people who are accepted as migrants are granted permanent residence and have similar rights as Australian citizens.

[izabsmiling]

whatever you or I personally believe those fleeing persecution deserve doesn't make it fact, wrong or right, or applicable in our Country in 2013 to the most persecuted people in the world today.Read what our obligations are to human beings.It is set out in writing.

Has history taught us nothing?

[cherry*135]

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
Twinkles I entirely agree that to seek asylum is not illegal, but as said in my previous comments I don't think it is the major tragedy that it seems to be to others.

the mother was able to spend 6 hours a day with her baby (iwho was in some debated level of medical care)
The family were all brought to Brisbane to be together
The mother was also able to spend time with her husband and two young children

Families who have had to come in from out of Brisbane with no one to care for the children they brought with them and have to find (and pay for) accommodation also don't enjoy the ideals that some of the posters on this thread regard as rights.

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I agree with this, in this case it was for a very short time frame.. a few days.

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