The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

 

 

This is disgraceful and I can only hope the people who are in charge fix this asap.

 

An asylum seeker who was moved off Nauru to give birth is being locked up for 18 hours a day in a detention centre in Brisbane while her week-old baby remains in hospital with respiratory problems.

The case of Latifa, a 31-year-old woman of the persecuted Rohingya people of Myanmar, has shocked churches and refugee advocates.

She was separated from her baby on Sunday, four days after a caesarean delivery, and has since been allowed to visit him only between 10am and 4pm in Brisbane's Mater Hospital. The boy, named Farus, has respiratory problems and needs round-the-clock medical care.

Latifa is confined to the Brisbane Immigration Transit Accommodation, 20 minutes away, where her husband and two children, four and seven, are being held.

Latifa's husband, Niza, is not allowed to visit the child at all, according to people in daily contact with the family.

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
Isn't it funny, in the old days which we are all so thankful to have moved on from, the mother would have remained in hospital for 2 or 3 weeks and therefore wouldn't have been discharged before bubby.
What is the standard stay after a Caesar now? A woman I know left the same day, but that was financial as she (and her family) were still waiting for Australian citizenship and couldn't afford the health care. I find that sad.

I was 4 days with 1 and 2, (both deceased) 9 days with number 3 (they were watching me for PND following my two previous deliveries and because of his size - 12 "12' they were overfeeding the baby which caused some initial health concerns until a nurse diagnosed the issue of overfeeding vs anything actually wrong with the baby on day 5)), 7 days with number 4 (all private) and 3 days with number 5. (last one was public - baby remained until day 6 under the space lights for jaundice)

 

all were c sections, the last 2 under general anesthetic.


Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
Isn't it funny, in the old days which we are all so thankful to have moved on from, the mother would have remained in hospital for 2 or 3 weeks and therefore wouldn't have been discharged before bubby.
What is the standard stay after a Caesar now? A woman I know left the same day, but that was financial as she (and her family) were still waiting for Australian citizenship and couldn't afford the health care. I find that sad.

Citizenship or permanent residency?  I am sure permanent residents are entitled to the same medicare benefits as citizens and in order to become a citizen, you need to be a permanent resident.   Unless there have been some drastic changes recently.


i read that somewhere, in the context of refugees who have permanent residency vs asylum seekers, that a person with permanent residency is given the same rights and access to all resources in Australia.


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“Hello, everyone. This thread is getting a little off-topic.

 

Could we please bring the discussion back to what is an obviously sensitive subject, with a variety of opinions on the matter.

 

Try not to hit out at each other for having different opinions.

 

Thanks!”

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The topic has been well and truly addressed, I suppose it is difficult to say anymore about it without raising related issues.

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@am*3 wrote:

Do people really expect 5star accom, food and service in a refugee camp

 

 

 


to be fair, I was a bit shocked at the tents (assuming this is the accommodation supplied on Nauru atm) there are refugee camps in Thailand with better facilities, however these are funded by churches and charities, not by either government

 

I was expecting that they at least have some kind of hall or cabins etc


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I was "appalled" to see those pics of the tents. Sorry but I was. It is very hot in a tent.

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@my*mum wrote:

@izabsmiling wrote:

EM, I am unhappy with the wider situation and attitude.

Unfortunately I feel that if these people and their childten had different faces,skin and religions.. more people in this Country would be willing to acknowledge that they are more than physical bodies and also more willing to look into what they have been and are going through.

Seems some have more compassion for our export Cattle than they do for other human beings and that recognising these humans as human isn't the in thing.

Are we returning children unassisted to some places as well? 

 

 

Scott Morrison says mother and newborn could be sent back to Nauru

 

SCOTT MORRISON: All appropriate care is provided for people who are located in the offshore processing facility, she was brought to Australia to give birth to a child and she had other health complications that also necessitated her being brought to Australia for that purpose. 

Now that is the process we follow, now if and when she is in a fit state to return to Nauru or Manus Island, and that will be assessed by doctors, then that's what will occur.

FELICITY OGILVIE: The Royal Australasian College of Physicians president-elect, Nicholas Talley, says there is a risk that the asylum seeker's children could die if they're sent offshore. 

NICHOLAS TALLEY: Well malaria is a problem. Pregnant women of course - this woman's no longer pregnant, but pregnant women and also young children can't be given the medications that will help protect them from malaria and if they go to a high malaria environment then indeed they will be at risk. 

And in fact the infant mortality is also an issue overall if you look at the infant mortality for example on Nauru, it's about seven times higher than in Australia. That's pretty significant.

FELICITY OGILVIE: The woman says that she's afraid that her infant or her young children might die because of the heat and food that's being served that's half cooked at times. Is that a possibility, could the children die?
NICHOLAS TALLEY: Certainly http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3887268.htm

 

 

 

Defence should also be wary of being forced into a position of having to defend deaths in detention, particularly of children. Officials in Immigration should be now giving frank and fearless advice because when the fan clogs up it will be them that Morrison seeks to blame for his transgressions.

 Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/scott-morrisons-noshowandtell-on-asylum-seekers-is-already-s...


a) none of this has anything to do with the OP

 

b) none of this has anything to do with race, colour or religion or any other form of discrimination.

 

c) we are looking into "what they have been and what they are going through" that's the whole idea behind processing those who seek asylum!

 

d) This woman put her own children at risk of Malaria. She chose to come here knowing that she would be transferred to an offshore detention centre.

 

e) To our knowledge, she did not become pregnant by force, she became pregnant and gave birth twice in Malaysia where malaria is a huge consideration and then chose to come here to do it again. NO ONE FORCED her

 

f) preventative measures for the prevention of malaria can begin once a child is 5 kg.

 

g) the woman and family have arrived after spending at least 10 years in malaria prone regions, how have they avoided infection so far?

 

h) is it a possibility that her children could die? She gave birth to them whilst in Detention in a malarian prone region. She put them on a boat and risked their lives just for a chance that they may be accepted into Australia. And now the responsibility is being passed onto the Australian government? C'mon hey!

 

i) her children are being used as a tool and a weapon to circumvent established procedures and protocols, just as ashjoma suggested that other persons seeking assylum may do.

 

j) felicity Ogilvie is a journalist, it is her job to dramatize and sensationalize situations and take them out of context and proportion, she is hardly a credible authority on the topic.

 

k) just read that story in the last link and absorb the manipulation that is occurring and has occurred. Exactly as ashjoma said does and will happen.


Have you been in a detention centre in Malaysia? Has anyone here

Nope, just opinionating about someone in another country in circumstances you will never have to deal with.

 

Your using of the phrases 'will' and 'may do' shows you are making assumptions, just as  Felicvity is and while you are at it calling her over dramatic.

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The immigration minister Scott Morrison has ordered a review into the circumstances of the case.

 

More information may be provided in the review. I don't know how long it takes for these sort of reviews to be done and then released to the media/public.

 

I hope Scott Morrison was right about what he claims below about the father visiting the baby. He shouldn't comment unless he has the facts.

 

Asylum seekers: Tony Abbott regrets mother-baby separation but no apology

 

Prime minister says the only way to prevent such incidents is to stop the boats
 
Scott Morrison: He denied reports that the woman’s husband was not allowed to see his newborn son, but said he did not know how many visits the man had been allowed or when he visited.
 
 
 
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A lot of refugee camps have tents and basic cabins. They are meant to be for temporary accommodation. However, as we know people can live in them for years, that is not the case.

 

Yes, it would be very hot and uncomfortable in a tent or basic shed/cabin. Unfortunately the accom & food is not going to be as good as people are used to in their own homes. If they only had to live there for a matter of weeks may not be so bad, but for years it would be awful.

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
I don't really know, meep. They were from Rotuma and went to our church. I just remembered it because the surgery bill and the care given the baby came to $1000s and I realized how lucky we are. They had quite low paying menial jobs, so it must have been devastating, yet they were always so positive.

I have friends who initially arrived here on student visas.  Eventually, they applied for permanent residency under the skilled migrants program. I think the whole process took appox 2 yrs during which, they were not entitled to any benefits. Their child's public primary  school fees were $4000+.   They ended up enrolling the child into the local Catholic School because it worked out to be costing less.  Approx 50% less.  My friend panicked every time her son got sick as the medical costs were enormous.

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