@my*mum wrote:
@polksaladallie wrote:
@azureline** wrote:
Some of the posts here were saying we need to give them time to set up protocol for this situation as it has never happened before.......... so, why and how did they have time to organise and implement the 10 am to 4pm scenario?
Those posts are obviously wrong, Az. There are thousands of detainees some of whom have medical issues, including childbirth, tests, surgery, etc., and have to go to hospitals with escorts. This probably happens on a daily basis, it's just that we don't know about it. If it was broadcast, the uglies would come out of the woodwork and behave appallingly.
I used to shop at Toombul shopping centre, and regularly saw people from the Virginia motel shopping there with escorts. No-one bothered them, and there were no bombs in their trolleys.
Obviously, they're not.
Your first paragraph lacks indepth thought. I'd go as far as to say, any thought. Are these people transferred at their will for indefinite periods of time? Whenever they like? Are these detainees coming from places without established routines?
A trip to hospital for an appendicectomy or childbirth is hardly "at their will" someone in need of an appendectomy or child birth is hardly a flight risk or high security, nor is it for indefinite periods of time.
This lady was transferred for her surgery, she received medical tests, monitoring and care. She gave birth and was transferred to and from the hospital for this. She was then able to meet her subsequent "appointments" as they were organized for her.
Please provide statistics of how many detainees have given birth in Brisbane?
Detainees are all over Australia, not just Brisbane.This woman is in brisbane in an establishment neither suited to her or for those expecting to give birth. In a place where there are no preset protocols for this situation.
Paragraph 2, and the people you saw shopping, they were able to do this as often as they liked? They could just wake up and say, I'll head off to the shops in about half an hour, not sure how long I'll be there for either, so just keep the people on standby, be a good chap and rally the troops for me, will you?
The guards were permanently there, didn't have to be "rallied" I call bull. yes, some guards were permanently there, but not for the free will of the detainees. If they only have 4 guards rostered on and one detainee decides to take an unplanned shopping trip, do you think they just let the minimum staff of 2 just leave for a few hours to pop down the shops leaving the others with insufficient security?
They are given specific time frames and days on which shopping trips etc are available.
and your flippant remarks about bombs is appalling. You don't think they would have had checks and searches upon leaving and returning to their facilities?
Of course they didn't, it was not Guantanamo
You're the only poster who is concerned about bombs
I'm the only poster who has spoken to two different people about security requirements. Terrorist attacks and even general violence not related to terrorism encompasses a lot more than bombs.
and yes, they were subjected to checks on departure and arrival for prohibited materials including scissors and matches/lighters, needles and chemicals....
This family are classified as a security threat. They don't just let them out for a picnic.They have not been processed.
You're also ignoring the differences in security status' that would be assigned to people already partially assesed and released into the community verses those who have been here a few weeks.
They were not released into the community. They were in detention, as are all the others who have to go to hospital sometimes. *rolls eyes* You claim they came from local motels and were wandering around the local shops. This family have had very few, if any security and background checks in the 3 or 4 weeeks they have been here.
Even prisoners in our prisons have different levels of security status'.
