The Australian Vaccination-skeptics Network

[bluecat*dancing]

Good.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-18/australian-vaccination-skeptics-network-banned-from-charity-st...

''The Australian Vaccination-skeptics Network has been stripped of its registered charity status because potential misinformation could impact on children's health.

The controversial anti-immunisation group was last week forced to change its name from the Australian Vaccination Network because it was considered misleading.

The group actively campaigns against vaccinating children.''

[cat_mioux]

Sadly that's the nature of SIDS. Normal healthy babies die from it.

I used to post well thought out posts explaining why I'm pro vaccinations.

I can't be bothered anymore because the anti-vac crowd have blinkers on. So I'll just sum up my view in a few words.

Bunch of idiots.

[2106greencat]

Hey msmioux

I agree with vacinations too, but I have to admit (especially after reading here) that I was a lucky parent where my kid's had no adverse reactions.

If they had, I would no doubt feel differently, and I think a lot of others here may have experienced those horrors, and like anything we don't fully understand, they can be scary especially when it is involving babies and youngsters.

If a child of mine died after a vac, then it would take one heck of a lot of convincing me that the vac wasn't the reason, and when it all boils down to it, we just have to go along (or did in my day) with the 'rules'.

[azureline**]

Bunch of idiots?

I don't think I am an idiot, my children were not all fully vaccinated. Like you, I have given reasons before and it appears to be not worth doing.

[Anonymous]

I agree BC. good.

Hi Az 🙂

[azureline**]

Hi Duff!

[k0llectable5]

In actual fact there is no documented case anywhere in the world where an accurate dose vaccination has caused the death of a baby. Oh sure, you will find a whole lot of "reported" cases but once you start to wind your way backward to find the origins of these stories, it turns out that they all have single information origins.

"The main reason I feel that vaccines should be optional for parents is that every vaccine has the potential to cause a fatal reaction. Whether it's a severe allergic reaction, a neurologic reaction or some sort of other immunological reaction, fatal reactions do occur from vaccines. It's very rare, but it does occur"  Dr Robert W Seirs Pediatrician and author of the book "The Vaccine book: Making the right decision for your child" who is a pro vaxxer by his own admission....

[i-need-a-martini]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

In actual fact there is no documented case anywhere in the world where an accurate dose vaccination has caused the death of a baby. Oh sure, you will find a whole lot of "reported" cases but once you start to wind your way backward to find the origins of these stories, it turns out that they all have single information origins.

"The main reason I feel that vaccines should be optional for parents is that every vaccine has the potential to cause a fatal reaction. Whether it's a severe allergic reaction, a neurologic reaction or some sort of other immunological reaction, fatal reactions do occur from vaccines. It's very rare, but it does occur"  Dr Robert W Seirs Pediatrician and author of the book "The Vaccine book: Making the right decision for your child" who is a pro vaxxer by his own admission....

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And as I said earlier, you need to dig a little further. Because if you did then you find that:

a) Dr Sears actually refers to the VAERS data base for his comments on fatalities and serious side effects. His book offers no case examples or facts.

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b) he isn't pro-vaccination at all. In fact his book offers very little guidance either way. If anything my recollection is that he uses scare tactics  in a "There is a possibility that if you vaccinate your child, X could happen and then Y could happen and then your child could die. But you should make your own decisions about your childs life."

He (and his book) has been widely criticised for pretending to be pro-vaccination whilst including false information in his book.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@azureline** wrote:

My brother in law's baby son died from SIDS the very night following his immunisation. He was a normal, healthy baby.

They did not consider it connected in any way.

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I'm sorry to hear that az. Very sad.

VAERS is an American (govt run) data collection point for events after vaccination. The theory was that if they gathered as much data as possible they may see a pattern. But in it's 20plus history, no pattern has emerged connecting any deaths or serious illness to baby vaccinations.

Their data does not make any connections directly. That doesn't stp anti-vacc groups from exploiting the data.The avccination=autism group use VAERS data quite a bit.

If your BILs child had died in the US, the death would have been recorded with VAERS.

[k0llectable5]

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And as I said earlier, you need to dig a little further. Because if you did then you find that:

a) Dr Sears actually refers to the VAERS data base for his comments on fatalities and serious side effects. His book offers no case examples or facts.

and 

b) he isn't pro-vaccination at all. In fact his book offers very little guidance either way. If anything my recollection is that he uses scare tactics  in a "There is a possibility that if you vaccinate your child, X could happen and then Y could happen and then your child could die. But you should make your own decisions about your childs life."

He (and his book) has been widely criticised for pretending to be pro-vaccination whilst including false information in his book.

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The guy is a pediatrician.  He has made up his own immunisation schedule because so many parents are concerned about the amount of vaccinations that are included in the current schedule.  He has spread them out a bit and changed it around a bit so parents feel more comfortable vaccinating their children. How can someone who has created his own schedule be anti vaccination?

His book was criticised by Dr Offit (an infectious disease specialist from the Childrens Hospital of Philidelphia) who did nothing but lie about him and the book . He (Dr Offit) also made a vaccine and made millions selling it to a company.

If you are to look into the "professionals" that fervently endorse vaccinations you will find a very high percentage of them have a significant  financial stake in the success of vaccines. 

[cat_mioux]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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If you are to look into the "professionals" that fervently endorse vaccinations you will find a very high percentage of them have a significant  financial stake in the success of vaccines. 

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What about saving millions of lives? I'd say that's a good reason to 'invest' in vaccines.

From Unicef:

Two hundred years after the discovery of vaccine by the English physician Edward Jenner, immunization can be credited with saving approximately 9 million lives a year worldwide. A further 16 million deaths a year could be prevented if effective vaccines were deployed against all potentially vaccine-preventable diseases.

So far only one disease, smallpox, has been eradicated by vaccines, saving approximately 5 million lives annually.

Polio could be next. Over 80% of the world's children are now being immunized against the polio virus, and the annual number of cases has been cut from 400,000 in 1980 to 90,000 in the mid-1990s. If the year 2000 goal of eradicating polio is achieved, the United States will be able to save the $270 million a year that is currently spent on polio vaccination. The savings for Western European countries will amount to about $200 million a year.

Measles, currently killing 1.1 million children a year, is another possible candidate for eradication. Once high levels of routine immunization have been achieved, national immunization days, followed by close monitoring and 'blitzing' of any outbreaks, can eliminate the disease.

In all, vaccines have brought seven major human diseases under some degree of control - smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, yellow fever, whooping cough, polio, and measles.