on โ18-03-2014 12:33 PM
Good.
''The Australian Vaccination-skeptics Network has been stripped of its registered charity status because potential misinformation could impact on children's health.
The controversial anti-immunisation group was last week forced to change its name from the Australian Vaccination Network because it was considered misleading.
The group actively campaigns against vaccinating children.''
on โ20-03-2014 12:15 PM
Women and children around the world die every day from preventable diseases โ every 20 seconds a child dies from a vaccine-preventable disease, and nearly one million children die each year from malaria. We work hand in hand with the World Health Organization, UNICEF and other UN agencies to develop and expand major initiatives to help families survive and thrive.
http://www.unfoundation.org/what-we-do/issues/global-health/
on โ20-03-2014 12:19 PM
The same Unicef that is supported by NATO and the same "UNICEF has taken a radical position against orphans and campaigned against inter-country adoption insisting that life in the country of birth is always preferable than life with an adoptive family in another country even when that means children are condemned to orphanages" hmmm...
In all, vaccines have brought seven major human diseases under some degree of control - smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, yellow fever, whooping cough, polio, and measles.
Who can really argue with that though? We dont need Unicef to tell us that...
on โ20-03-2014 12:29 PM
I am really against the herd immunity theory.
I am not against vaccination, I am against the attitude that does not consider that one size does not fit all.
on โ20-03-2014 12:37 PM
I am too Az.
People have to acknowledge that there are a small group of people that are considered to be "high risk" of adverse events following immunisation. I'd dearly love to see a test that could be used prior to immunisation to determine those that are of the highest risk so their families can then make an informed decision on whether to vaccinate or not.
on โ28-03-2014 01:47 PM
Being "against" herd immunity theory is a bit like being "against" the digestion of food; the lunar calendar; or ageing. It's an observable phenomena that exists whether you care about it or not. If you would like herd immunity explained I will put up some links if you like.
There are several inaccuracies on Secondhand's posts. Firstly the VAERS reporting system is a passive surveillance system only. None of the reports are verified. Anyone can make a report and the purpose is for the detection of abnormal trends so that they can then be investigated properly.
Australia most certainly does have a similar reporting system. In fact you can go on right now and look up any vaccine or indeed any medication by generic term or brand name. You can select the dates too. For instance you can see that there have been no reported deaths for the HPV vaccine Gardasil in Australia.
http://www.tga.gov.au/DAEN/daen-entry.aspx
Secondhand it seems you have been reading from anti-vax sites. There is a lot of misinformation and disinformation there and they are a favoured playground for people with paranoid schizophrenic disorder who are obsessed with conspiracy theories. You should get your info from reputable sites. Information about vaccines is quite transparent. Any potential conflict of interest is declared on research papers. Funding comes from multiple sources and there is nothing wrong with funding coming from pharmaceutical companies either. Vaccine research and development to production stage is very expensive. You certainly wouldn't want it all to come out of the public purse. It would be simply unaffordable and we would be without lifesaving drugs.
on โ28-03-2014 02:03 PM
I have a fairly good knowledge of what herd immunityis, I think it is flawed.
Time and again, we were told that our unvaccinated child was a threat to the vaccinated child.
Herd immunity theory doesn't allow for this? They tried to tell us it did, they can't have it both ways. If herd immunity works, no child in the 5% of unvaccinated is a risk.
They tell us that the health of the herd is more important than any single life, yet to me, my child's life is more important than the herd. If my child is damaged /made ill, by the immunisation, I am told that there is no connection to the immunisation until I further push for answers. I chose not to have that particular immunisation again and the doctor agreed it was a risk.
on โ28-03-2014 03:55 PM
It makes no difference whether or not the VAERS reports are verified or not. If people have experienced an adverse event following an immunisation then they ought to report it. According to the CDC website: "Vaccines are developed with the highest standards of safety. However, as with any medical procedure, vaccination has some risks. Individuals react differently to vaccines, and there is no way to predict how individuals will react to a particular vaccine" So why cant people just accept this instead of labelling anyone who has questions or concerns an ani-vaxxer? (Not that you did that superscanner, but it seems to be a common trend with these discussions)
There is a lot of misinformation and disinformation there and they are a favoured playground for people with paranoid schizophrenic disorder who are obsessed with conspiracy theories.
That is not true. A concerned parent should not be labelled in that way. It has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, and everything to do with personal experiences. There is clear conflict of interest with funding coming from pharmaceutical companies how can you not see that?
on โ04-04-2014 01:44 PM
People can and do report what they think might be and adverse reaction. Why wouldn't you? But the good news is that the vast majority of millions of people get only the mildest reaction as expected or none at all.
Sorry Secondhand but it is true that the most vocal and well known 'spokespeople' for the anti-vaccine movement are far from rational and you don't have to look very far to find that they are against all mainstream medicine and have a very deep-seated fear and mistrust of the government or any authority and do indeed hold many conspiracy beliefs in regard to other issues. Also whilst they reject evidence based medicine and science and "big Pharma" on the one hand they are happy to embrace untested alternative treatments and all sorts of quackery including the dangerous black salve to treat their self-diagnosed cancers.
These people are not necessarily the same as concerned parents, often new parents, for whom vaccination is quite a new thing to deal with and may have a lot of questions and uncertainty but unfortunately stumble across misinformation spread by the anti-vax cult and can be quite easily misled by the untruthful claims given. Groups like the thankfully dying AVN are indeed a cult as their claims do not hold up to scrutiny at all and yet are fuelled by irrational beliefs and emotive arguments that they hold very dear. They actively and agressively censor any hint of dissent from anyone who attempts to question or refute their claims and provide scientific evidence. Many of them do not even believe that germs and viruses exist. Because they have no such relevant qualifications themselves they dismiss any scientific evidence put to them. They do not understand scientific method or even the most basic principles of methodology and statistics. Their belief is based on hearsay and unverified personal anecdote.
They despise and mistrust the entire medical fraternity worldwide yet the only doctor they hold up as their 'poster boy' is one who lied to the press and the public, misrepresented his own paper to appear that there was something there that was not found at all; was found in proceedings against him to be dishonest and unethical on several counts and was deregistered as a doctor.
VAERS reports are there for both the public and health professionals to report anything that may be a possible adverse reaction. It is an open system. You can't quote their figures because they are not medically verified. The purpose is to collate data so see if there are any unusual patterns occurring. If there are then these are investigated.
Be reminded that anecdotes and personal eyewitness alone are never scientific evidence. Things that occur at around the same time are not necessarily related at all. This can happen all the time in medicine not just vaccinations.
Funding sources for research and any possible conflicts of interest are always declared. This is quite a transparent system. Funding usually comes from many sources. I hope you don't think the taxpayer should pay for all of it that would be impossible. Vaccines are expensive to develop and research. It's up to the pharmaceutical companies to fork out most of the money especially in the early stage. There are lots of vaccine trials in the later stages especially followup trials, that are funded by all kinds of independent bodies such as universities and consortiums.
on โ04-04-2014 02:02 PM
Azureline if you have a perception that herd immunity is "flawed" then you haven't understood how it works. Who is "they"? That is not true that the idea of herd immunity is somehow putting the crowd before the individual. Again I can see that you have been reading at anti-vax pages because it's always the same misleading nonsense that they regurgitate. The aim of vaccination is first and foremost to protect your individual child, make no mistake about that. When a high propotion of individuals are covered then that's how we get community immunity. The level of coverage needed depends on the disease. Measles is highly infectious so needs coverage of at least 85- 95% to keep most people safe. We need that 5% to consist of the immunocompromised, the very young and anyone else who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. When people who have no such excuse and "freeride" it's like taking up a disable parking space if you are able-bodied. If enough people 'bludge' then our coverage levels will drop and we see outbreaks such as the measles outbreak in Wales. And then follows mumps outbreaks.
Yes vaccinated children can still be vulnerable because there are occasionally people for whom vaccines don't 'take', they do not seroconvert successfully and the reasons are unknown. They need protection the same as anyone who is in the vulnerable group.
http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2013/08/low-state-vaccine-rates
on โ04-04-2014 02:07 PM
Here is an explanation of the stages of vaccine development and testing:
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
and another very comprehensive paper explaining testing:
Here is a great overview of the anti-vaccine cult: http://violentmetaphors.com/2014/03/25/parents-you-are-being-lied-to/
We do have scientific papers on the sociology and psychology of the anti-vaccine cult too.