The Shroud of Turin

[*crikey*mate*]

I am part way through reading a fiction book featuring The Shroud, and it has sparked my curiosity.

What do you know?

What do you think?

Me? I want to believe that it is real, but I'm not convinced one way or the other just yet, but I am interested in discussing it with anyone else interested in doing so.

 For something of such historical significance to truly exist would be amazing.

[the_great_she_elephant]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196520/Is-Turin-Shroud-really-self-portrait-Renaissance-man-Leonardo-da-Vinci.html

http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/orvieto.pdf

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

Hmmm. Looks like, in the end  you pays your penny and you takes your choice.

It would be good to get another carbon dating done.

[**meep**]

oh lol, i thought you had information about  conclusive evidence.  Never mind. :^O

[**meep**]

ooops!  sorry, post 11 was meant for Bob. :8}

[the_great_she_elephant]

I thought this issue has been settled. It was a fake produced over a thousand years after Jesus. Apparently so many of these cloth were created not just this one. 

The image can be reproduced quite easily. 

Bob, the carbon dating gave a medieval date, The word fake suggests it was deliberately created to fool people into believing it was the image of Christ, but since we don't know who created it or why, we really  have no idea why it was originally made. It may have been created for some totally different purpose and later used by someone other than the creator to fool the gullible.

If it was a deliberate fake, it seems odd that it was created as a negative image and with the nail marks on the wrists rather than the hands. Medieval believers were not sophisticated and fairly easy to fool - there are enough pieces of the 'true cross' to fill a small forest - but the image on the shroud is certainly not something they would have recognised. 

[**meep**]

Bob, the carbon dating gave a medieval date

Hasnt it been determined that the samples used were not part of the original cloth but taken from  pieces of fabric used to repair the cloth ??

[vintage-star]

The image is a little too neat to be the image of one that was "wrapped" in a shroud!!..... The debunking theories make a lot of sense.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Bob, the carbon dating gave a medieval date

Hasnt it been determined that the samples used were not part of the original cloth but taken from  pieces of fabric used to repair the cloth ??

I don't think so.There was a suggestion though that the samples might have been contaminated. 

[**meep**]

here we go...we can follow the Shroud on facebook http://www.facebook.com/stera.inc

or find the latest on the Shroud website http://www.shroud.com/

[azureline**]

High definition photography has brought new detail to the case made by the cloth itself.

Its size, roughly 3 1/2 feet by 14 feet; its distinct herringbone weave; even the way a seam was sewn is consistent with ancient burial cloths found near Jerusalem.

Pollen samples taken from it show that, at some time, it was near Jerusalem and in Turkey

[**meep**]

What is the book that you're reading, Crikey?