The danger of an unelected UN

UN says Janine Balding’s killers have been denied human rights

 

LIFE sentences given to two teenage boys convicted of the rape and murder of a Sydney woman is in breach of Australia’s human rights obligations, the United Nations says.

 

Sentences imposed on children must allow for review and the prospect of release, the UN Human Rights Committee found in response to a complaint made by Bronson Blessington and Matthew Elliott.

 

The pair were respectively 14 and 16 when they were sentenced to life in prison, never to be released, for the murder of 20-year-old bank teller Janine Balding in 1988.

 

Ms Balding, 20, was abducted at knifepoint near Sydney’s Sutherland train station in 1988 by a group including Blessington and Elliott, as she was on her way home from work at a credit union.

 

She was forced into her own car and repeatedly raped. She was gagged and hogtied and was drowned in the mud at a shallow dam at Minchinbury.

 

Legislative changes after Blessington and Elliott were convicted meant they would only be released if they were dying or incapacitated to the point they could not commit a crime.

 

The committee found that because the sentence allowed no genuine chance of release, even with full rehabilitation, it was in breach of the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

 

In its findings the committee said sentences imposed on children must allow for “the possibility of review and a prospect of release, notwithstanding the gravity of the crime and the circumstances around it”.

 

“This does not mean that release should necessarily be granted,” it found.

 

“It rather means that release should not be a mere theoretical possibility and that the review procedure should be a thorough one.”

Human Rights Law Centre senior lawyer Ruth Barson said the question raised was about the legality of a system that does not allow for consideration of rehabilitation.

 

“No one is questioning the terrible nature of the crimes committed, but an effective and lawful response to children committing such crimes requires more than simply locking them up and throwing away the key,” she said.

 

“We shouldn’t just give up on children offenders, we need progress reviews built into a system — not retrospective laws that specifically prohibit them.”

 

The Australian government has 180 days to respond.

 

http://www.news.com.au/national/un-says-janine-baldings-killers-have-been-denied-human-rights/story-...

 

Our only response should be no response. Our Constitution (1901) grants the commonwealth the power to make laws for peace, order and good government. Flowing from the Constitution are residual powers which remain the domain of the states. It would be a legal quagmire to sort it out but it would seem the states have protection and power to enact laws. The murder of Janine Balding was committed in NSW and that state seems to have the power to lock people away and toss the key down a well if it wants to.

 

The message must be if you don't like prison life try and avoid it at all costs.

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without a doubt surely can only mean with a confession? but then again some do confess to anything.

Moot point anyway, we don't have it.

I think we have the UN for good reasons and we need to address the points they raise.

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@village_person wrote:

UN says Janine Balding’s killers have been denied human rights

 

LIFE sentences given to two teenage boys convicted of the rape and murder of a Sydney woman is in breach of Australia’s human rights obligations, the United Nations says.

 

Sentences imposed on children must allow for review and the prospect of release, the UN Human Rights Committee found in response to a complaint made by Bronson Blessington and Matthew Elliott.

 

The pair were respectively 14 and 16 when they were sentenced to life in prison, never to be released, for the murder of 20-year-old bank teller Janine Balding in 1988.

 

Ms Balding, 20, was abducted at knifepoint near Sydney’s Sutherland train station in 1988 by a group including Blessington and Elliott, as she was on her way home from work at a credit union.

 

She was forced into her own car and repeatedly raped. She was gagged and hogtied and was drowned in the mud at a shallow dam at Minchinbury.

 

Legislative changes after Blessington and Elliott were convicted meant they would only be released if they were dying or incapacitated to the point they could not commit a crime.

 

The committee found that because the sentence allowed no genuine chance of release, even with full rehabilitation, it was in breach of the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

 

In its findings the committee said sentences imposed on children must allow for “the possibility of review and a prospect of release, notwithstanding the gravity of the crime and the circumstances around it”.

 

“This does not mean that release should necessarily be granted,” it found.

 

“It rather means that release should not be a mere theoretical possibility and that the review procedure should be a thorough one.”

Human Rights Law Centre senior lawyer Ruth Barson said the question raised was about the legality of a system that does not allow for consideration of rehabilitation.

 

“No one is questioning the terrible nature of the crimes committed, but an effective and lawful response to children committing such crimes requires more than simply locking them up and throwing away the key,” she said.

 

“We shouldn’t just give up on children offenders, we need progress reviews built into a system — not retrospective laws that specifically prohibit them.”

 

The Australian government has 180 days to respond.

 

http://www.news.com.au/national/un-says-janine-baldings-killers-have-been-denied-human-rights/story-...

 

Our only response should be no response. Our Constitution (1901) grants the commonwealth the power to make laws for peace, order and good government. Flowing from the Constitution are residual powers which remain the domain of the states. It would be a legal quagmire to sort it out but it would seem the states have protection and power to enact laws. The murder of Janine Balding was committed in NSW and that state seems to have the power to lock people away and toss the key down a well if it wants to.

 

The message must be if you don't like prison life try and avoid it at all costs.


Tell that to the parent of little Jamie Baldwin -

 

I honestly don't care how old they are, if they commit an adult crime they do the adult time.

 

Seriously, if they are capable of this at the age they were, one can only imagine what they may be capable of later.

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without a doubt surely can only mean with a confession? but then again some do confess to anything.

 

No without a doubt means proven without a doubt.

 

Moot point anyway, we don't have it.

 

No but I think we should.

 

I think we have the UN for good reasons and we need to address the points they raise.

 

What are the reasons? What gives the UN the right to interfere with a nation's sovereignty?

 

 


 

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op, so whats your problem - The danger of an unelected UN - what is the danger?

 

Really wouldn't worry too much, it's not as if Australia has to take any notice what so ever,  Israel has been ignoring the UN for decades with no consequences at all.

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