on โ14-11-2014 08:11 PM
on โ17-11-2014 08:50 AM
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here you go Lurker
on โ17-11-2014 09:02 AM
on โ17-11-2014 09:06 AM
@lurker172602 wrote:
I've had a really busy weekend so haven't seen or heard much of what went down (not that that's bad thing necessarily ๐ ).
Can someone point me to a transcript of Anthony Abbott's now infamous speech?
Thank you, everyone. Itโs a real honour to have so many of you here in the beautiful city of Brisbane for this first ever G20 leadersโ retreat.
Iโm very conscious of the fact that the people around this room are some of the most influential and powerful people in this world โ indeed the most powerful and influential people in this world.
The people around this room today are responsible for 85 per cent of the worldโs Gross Domestic Product, 75 per cent of the worldโs trade, 65 per cent of the worldโs population. Nowhere on earth will there be a more influential gathering than this, and yet, as we all know, our power and our authority is circumscribed.
We are meeting in the Legislative Council chamber of the Queensland State Parliament and back in the 1920s, the Queensland Government abolished the Legislative Council because it was too much of a restriction on the power of the then Premier, who was in the Legislative Assembly. So, this room symbolises the limitations on our power.
We have heavy responsibilities โ all of us. The world is looking to all of us right now to try to demonstrate to an uncertain and at times anxious world that there are people who know what theyโre doing, that there are people who have a plan; a plan for growth and for jobs. Thatโs our challenge: to leave this G20 meeting in 48 hoursโ time having instilled more confidence in the people of the world that there is a better and brighter future for all of us.
But the limitations of our authority, the clash of policy and politics, the difficulty of trying to put good economics into practice given the political constraints that we all have, thatโs what I would like us to be able to discuss very candidly over the next hour and a half, hour and three quarters.
We all know what we would like to do, but we all know that there are many constraints on what we can do. What I hope in the next hour and three quarters we can do, is speak candidly and openly amongst ourselves.
We may not always be able to agree, but I hope we can at least be open with each other over this time.
Obviously, I would like this discussion to focus on the politics of economic reform. Thatโs what I would like the discussion to do โ to focus on the politics of economic reform. In the end, though, this is your retreat; it is open to any of you to raise any subject that you wish. The only rules, as far as Iโm concerned, are if we can speak from our heart rather than from a script, that would be good. If we could be reasonably concise โ five minutes, please, at the most โ that would be good and if we could use first names that would be good as well, because whatever disagreements we might have, I think it helps if there can at least be personal warmth amongst us.
If I could kick off very briefly by saying that when I was elected โ my Government was elected โ 14 months ago, I made four promises to the Australian people. First, that I would repeal the carbon tax, and thatโs gone. Second, that I would stop the illegal boats that were coming to our country, and they have, thank God, stopped. Third, that we would start building roads in particular which had been long neglected in this country. Fourth, I said I would get the Budget under control.
Now, I have to say that this has proven massively difficult โ massively difficult โ because it doesnโt matter what spending programme you look at, it doesnโt matter how wasteful that spending programme might appear, there are always some people in the community who vote, who love that programme very much. So, getting the Budget under control has proven extremely difficult. If I could speak candidly with you, what I have tried to do is not only get the Budget back under control, but also try to bring about important economic reforms, important liberalisations at the same time.
Two issues in particular that I lay before my colleague leaders: we have tried to deregulate higher education, universities, and thatโs going to mean less central government spending and effectively more fees that students will have to pay. We think that this will free up our universities to be more competitive amongst themselves and more competitive internationally but students never like to pay more.
The other reform that has proven very, very difficult for us is to try to inject more price signals into our health system. For a long time most Australians who went to see a doctor have been seen at no charge and we would like to see a $7 co-payment for people who are going to see the doctor. In most countries this is not unusual. In most countries, this is standard that the doctor can charge a fee, but it is proving to be massively difficult to get this particular reform through the Parliament.
I donโt have any magic answers to the problems that we face. I think that all we can do is explain the reasons as carefully as we can and to persist for as long as we can with these reforms. But the more gatherings like this can affirm the importance of good policy. The more gatherings like this can affirm the importance of governments not overpromising things that are unaffordable and undeliverable, then I think the easier it is for all of us to deliver good policy to the people of our countries.
So, that I hope is what we can do over the next hour and three quarters or so: have a very candid and very honest discussion about where we think our countries can and should go, both individually and collectively over the next few years.
on โ17-11-2014 09:12 AM
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has branded the prime minister's remarks in front of the worldโs leaders on Saturday โweird and gracelessโ.
After Tony Abbott attempted to take control of the G20 heavyweights at a meeting at Queenslandโs Parliament House in Brisbane โ telling them they should call each other by their first names โ the Labor leader hit out.
Mr Abbott cited his own difficulties with the Australian budget - particularly in gaining support for proposed higher education changes and the $7 GP co-payment - as examples of the need to persist with important reforms
Mr Shorten said the lunchtime discussion was a missed opportunity to promote Australia's position as a global leader.
on โ17-11-2014 10:09 AM
on โ17-11-2014 10:20 AM
@polksaladallie wrote:Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has branded the prime minister's remarks in front of the worldโs leaders on Saturday โweird and gracelessโ.
After Tony Abbott attempted to take control of the G20 heavyweights at a meeting at Queenslandโs Parliament House in Brisbane โ telling them they should call each other by their first names โ the Labor leader hit out.
Mr Abbott cited his own difficulties with the Australian budget - particularly in gaining support for proposed higher education changes and the $7 GP co-payment - as examples of the need to persist with important reforms
Mr Shorten said the lunchtime discussion was a missed opportunity to promote Australia's position as a global leader.
He had to perfect opportunity to tell "the world" about Australia as a great country that everyone should visit if they get the chance. Instead he whinged about Australian people. I've never seen that from anyone before.
It was the most pathetic speech ever, that Saturday one.
on โ17-11-2014 10:23 AM
so the abbott said
Two issues in particular that I lay before my colleague leaders: we have tried to deregulate higher education, universities, and thatโs going to mean less central government spending and effectively more fees that students will have to pay. We think that this will free up our universities to be more competitive amongst themselves and more competitive internationally but students never like to pay more.
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so the whiney piney has been lying....shock
Federal Education Minister Christopher Pyne insists competition between universities will force student fees down under the Government's shake-up of the sector.
on โ17-11-2014 10:24 AM
This is an interesting editorial on the meaning of his speech by Vitoria Rollison.
http://victoriarollison.com/2014/11/16/what-abbott-actually-said/
A small excerpt:-
โTwo issues in particular that I lay before my colleague leaders: we have tried to deregulate higher education, universities, and thatโs going to mean less central government spending and effectively more fees that students will have to pay. We think that this will free up our universities to be more competitive amongst themselves and more competitive internationally but students never like to pay more.โ
Correct me if Iโm wrong, but I thought Pyneโs argument was that deregulation of university fees would make fees less expensive? Pyne has also argued that his policy is a โgood dealโ for students, although this was clearly never the case. How is it a good deal to be paying more for something and having to pay interest you previously didnโt pay, whilst getting the exact same product you used to get? But the point is, Abbottโs government always argued that this policy was about improving the university sector โ not about balancing the budget. Yet yesterday, Abbott was using this policy failure (letโs call a spade a spade that has failed to get through the Senate) as one of the reasons heโs finding those revolting peasants in his kingdom so terribly hard to force into line. Because students โnever like to pay moreโ. Apparently Abbottโs budget woes are nothing to do with his and Hockeyโs incompetence and are instead apparently all university studentsโ fault and their sense of entitlement that they should be able to get an education without taking out a mortgage on their future. An education, by the way, that benefits the long term economic success of Abbottโs precious economy. Not that Abbott seems to be able to put two and two together in this way. Abbott hadnโt finished yet though, because it wasnโt just the students who were to blame. It was also the sick.
But ultimately, if you were really listening, youโll have heard that it wasnโt just the students and the sick and hypochondriac Australians who are to blame for Abbottโs inability to fulfil one of his apparent four core promises to โget the Budget under controlโ. Because right up front, Abbott said this:
โโฆit doesnโt matter what spending programme you look at, it doesnโt matter how wasteful that spending programme might appear, there are always some people in the community who vote, who love that programme very muchโ.
Get that people? Itโs all of us voters who are so stupidly in love with government spending on programs that are just a complete waste of government spending. Itโs all our fault that Abbott canโt balance his books! Us stupid voters refuse to let him send a wrecking ball through our civilised society that we have spent generations building! How dare we block his wrecking ball!
So yes, I was offended, as a member of the domestic audience that was the true target market for this speech. But once I had calmed down and thought about it for a moment, I realised that I was also incredibly proud of Australians. Abbott can blame us all he likes. But the fact of the matter is that the worst of Abbottโs budget โ the parts that hit the most vulnerable hardest โ like the GP co-payment, like Pyneโs assault on the higher education sector โ are being blocked by our democratically elected leaders in the Labor Party, the Greens, various independents and low and behold, the Palmer United Party. So we might be dumb enough to elect Abbott in the first place, but I hope the world leaders, and those across the world who may have been tuning in, can see weโre not dumb enough to let him wreck the place, no matter how hard he might be trying.
on โ17-11-2014 12:15 PM