The terror raids have begun!

[love*today]

Looks huge on the news.....interesting that a neighbour has stated that she knew the guy for many years and he seemed ordinary, now you wouldn't expect them to walk around with a sign would you lol

[purplecarrot-top]

I am very aware that it could happen here, just like I am aware I could be killed in a fall, car accident or other mishap. Not going to spend my life worrying about something that may or may not happen.


Talk about putting the fear into people. This government has done it well.

From what I understand USA armed ISIS in the first place.

[lightningdance]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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So, with helicopters hovering overhead 870 police officers (presumably in riot gear and with guns drawn, forced their way into the homes of 27 sleeping families,

With good reason

detained 17 men eventually charged just one and probably seriously alienated hundreds.

So we have reason go be afraid of enforcing our laws because we may be alienating a certain cross-section of the population?

By that definition, police shouldn't raid homes for pornographic material because they may alienate human trafficking rings and cause them to retaliate by increasing their activities?

Or drug traffickers?

Or home invasion gangs?

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Gotta go be back later

yes 100% agree, but the  DO NOTHING, SAY NOTHING, we wouldnt want to upset any  terrorists sympathisers is alive and well, pretty partisan eh!

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[azureline**]

There are no terrorist sympathisers on here.....................

and as for my neighbours, I am not concerned at all. Other than that.................. words fail me.

[the_great_she_elephant]

So we have reason go be afraid of enforcing our laws because we may be alienating a certain cross-section of the population?

We need to think carefully about THE WAY IN WHICH we enforce our laws, or we may end up with a worse situation than the one we were trying to alleviate.

The FP has a track record for gung ho operations which often acheive nothing and cause stress to a lot of innocent people. I mentioned the Haneef case. Did you know, that after arresting him they also raided the flat of a another completely innocent  doctor in Perth simply on the grounds that he wqas a Muslim and  had once either worked or studied  with Haneef? We would also do well to remember the armed, ill-advised and  - and potentially illegal raid on Channel Seven over the Schapelle Corby interview. apart from the trauma to workers at the station - imagine the damage it could potentionally have done to Corby, who had only just been released on parole.

As I have said before, I have no problem with the police raiding the home of suspectsrr,provided they have sufficent evidence to justify those raids.  Events would suggest, however, that they all too often work on the basis of "no care and no responsibility' and 'the end justifies the means.'.

[polksaladallie]

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@purplecarrot-top wrote:
I am very aware that it could happen here, just like I am aware I could be killed in a fall, car accident or other mishap. Not going to spend my life worrying about something that may or may not happen.

Talk about putting the fear into people. This government has done it well.

From what I understand USA armed ISIS in the first place.

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USA arms everbody, then when they dare to use those arms, or don't use them as instructed, they are set upon.

[kilroy_is_here]

if my family had come under the view of the AFP and were raided then so be it , if they are inicent then they have nothing to fear and if they aguilty then they have no business complaining about the attention their own actions have brought to their front door. as i said i would rather have amember of my family arrested and released as incent than one of them sluaghted like a peice of meat in the street by an extremist and i make no apollogy for that attitude have you bothered to stop and think what the net result would be for inocent muslims in this country had the terrorist acts taken place , the ramifications for them would be far worse

[the_great_she_elephant]

So if armed police broke your door down at 4.00 in the morning,ordered you out of bed at gunpoint, trashed your house and dragged a member of your family off to gaol and held him incommunicado for three days before releasing him without a charge; and you later discovered they had done it because they had information that the guy who gave that family member a lift to work every morning had a brother who might be a Hells Angel, would you shrug your shouders and say "oh well, fair enough, they were only doing their job?

Because I suspect it may well turn out that that is just about how tenuous the evidence was for some of the recent AFP raids.

[lightningdance]

Apologists for terrorists now?? The police and the security forces should have the wholehearted support of the Australian people and yet all we see on here is criticism, cheap political pot shots, and weasel words about "How the raids were conducted"  and sympathy for the supporters of isil.

These people are not randomly picked out by police, many have been under surveillance for months if not years and the terror activity they were discussing   started to ramp up so the police swooped.

I don't what more can be explained about the raids, nit picking and semantics seem to be the norm for the apologists.

and another thing, PM Abbott did not scare  Australia, terrorists and supporters of isil did. If you have a problem with that take it up with your local LAC, your local member, your Federal member or write to the Federal police or security agency. 

end of story.

This is not directed to love*today.

[azureline**]

There are several innocent people in prison in Australia................. some have been released already but never get their lives back.

America has a worse track record, look up the Innocence Project.

[lightningdance]

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@azureline** wrote:

There are several innocent people in prison in Australia................. some have been released already but never get their lives back.

America has a worse track record, look up the Innocence Project.

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So what, what's that got to do with the home grown terrorist threat this country and many other countries are facing??