The welfare mentality

[poddster]

Do you think that the world owes you a living?

[the_hawk*]

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@jean2579 wrote:

the hawk, my apologies this reply is not related to your post, I just could not work out how to post without hitting the last reply button. OMG even I realise how lame this sounds.

Anyway, the real question if the retirement age is raised to 70 and the workers comp insurance is adjusted to provide cover allowing more senior persons to remain in the work force, how will it affect the young people trying to find their first jobs. Surely the jobs that the older workers would traditionally have vacated are no longer available for the first timers.

Are there any stats on the repercussions this may have?

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No worries Jean the reply function sucks

I dont believe its about making people actually work till they are 70, not many people over 50 can get employment and most are on newstart but don't have to actively look for work.

Where the savings are actually going to come from is a two part hit at older people.

The first part of the saving will come from the fact that New start pays considerably less than an aged pension  

The second part is that new start does not qualify for the same concessions as a age pension.

Taking this to the next step is the proposed changes to disability pensions, having a dodgy doctor that has sold his sole to the devil say a disabled person can work knowing that in the real world it isnt going to happen and will put the person into servere financial and emotional stress just as changing the retiement will to older people.    

[boris1gary]

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@soul_art wrote:

Silverfaun, my comments about Gina are becasue, reading the posts throughout this forum a lot of posters make comments about her and people like her based on how they earn and spend their money.

I'm saying that I base my like/dislike of people on who they are as a person, not on their wealth.  She seems to be a scapegoat for all that's wrong with our country.

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People often mention rineart because she is often in the media voicing her opinion on Australian workers and the poor, below is just some of rinearts views about us......and other things.

Australia's richest person Gina Rinehart has urged Australians to work harder and cut down on drinking, smoking and socialising if they want to become wealthy.

Mining billionaire Gina Rinehart has proposed a new way to broaden Australia's tax base - allowing convicted criminals to buy their way out of jail.

Mrs Rinehart also suggests the government should lower the minimum wage of $606.40 per week and cut taxes to stimulate employment.

The richest woman in the world warned her fellow countrymen they are becoming too expensive to employ.

[fourandsixpants]

to boris:

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@soul_art wrote:

Silverfaun, my comments about Gina are becasue, reading the posts throughout this forum a lot of posters make comments about her and people like her based on how they earn and spend their money.

I'm saying that I base my like/dislike of people on who they are as a person, not on their wealth.  She seems to be a scapegoat for all that's wrong with our country.

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People often mention rineart because she is often in the media voicing her opinion on Australian workers and the poor, below is just some of rinearts views about us......and other things.

Australia's richest person Gina Rinehart has urged Australians to work harder and cut down on drinking, smoking and socialising if they want to become wealthy.

Mining billionaire Gina Rinehart has proposed a new way to broaden Australia's tax base - allowing convicted criminals to buy their way out of jail.

Mrs Rinehart also suggests the government should lower the minimum wage of $606.40 per week and cut taxes to stimulate employment.

The richest woman in the world warned her fellow countrymen they are becoming too expensive to employ.

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She should lead by example, hey?!

I certainly can't afford long lunches or special menus.

At least JH had his stomach stapled because he failed to get a handle on his will power.

.......I mean, honestly! I

Can't take anything seriously that either of these human specimens say-they are either self-purposing or telling big fat porkies IMO.

I am not anti obese people but find both these persons' comments most hypocritical.

[boris1gary]

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@paintsew007 wrote:

to boris:

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@soul_art wrote:

Silverfaun, my comments about Gina are becasue, reading the posts throughout this forum a lot of posters make comments about her and people like her based on how they earn and spend their money.

I'm saying that I base my like/dislike of people on who they are as a person, not on their wealth.  She seems to be a scapegoat for all that's wrong with our country.

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People often mention rineart because she is often in the media voicing her opinion on Australian workers and the poor, below is just some of rinearts views about us......and other things.

Australia's richest person Gina Rinehart has urged Australians to work harder and cut down on drinking, smoking and socialising if they want to become wealthy.

Mining billionaire Gina Rinehart has proposed a new way to broaden Australia's tax base - allowing convicted criminals to buy their way out of jail.

Mrs Rinehart also suggests the government should lower the minimum wage of $606.40 per week and cut taxes to stimulate employment.

The richest woman in the world warned her fellow countrymen they are becoming too expensive to employ.

.........................................................................................................................................................................................................

She should lead by example, hey?!

I certainly can't afford long lunches or special menus.

At least JH had his stomach stapled because he failed to get a handle on his will power.

.......I mean, honestly! I

Can't take anything seriously that either of these human specimens say-they are either self-purposing or telling big fat porkies IMO.

I am not anti obese people but find both these persons' comments most hypocritical.

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the fact is ms rineart does have the ear of the pm for unemployment and has a lot of the media willing to print her opinions. Actually one of her "articles" i recently read, well i have seen those very same words in lots of places, word for word almost. I don't hate the idle rich, but am not impressed by them either. It's the system I don't like, the inequality is often obscene.

[bella_again]

I don't think its about bashing the rich or the poor its about fairness and equality simple as that.  I agree the government need to come up with a budget that will ensure Australia gets out of debt.  But it needs to be applied fairly.  Is it fair for politicians to have a 200 thousand plus pension when they leave office, shouldn't they wait till 70 to?  Is it fair for them to continually vote on pay rises for themselves yet they want to abolish some working conditions for the average worker?

Fair is fair, if you want the rest of Australia and the most poorest in our community to tow the line I want to know what the politicians are going to do to lead by example.  Will they take a pay cut or get rid of some of their excessive perks do you think?

The reason that Gina is referred to is because she puts her self out there in the media saying that Australians are too expensive to hire and should consider working for 2 dollars a day like the Africans (depending on which media interpretation you like lol). She also makes some fairly out there comments about the poor.  I'm sure if the position was reversed her views would be very different.. Is this the Australia we want?  Where people work for so much less and barely survive? While the gap between rich and poor widens.

We have to look at fiscal policies that are in the interests of all Australians, not where some benefit more than others.  Much of the community are incensed because many at the lower level are struggling to survive and get by.  If the government tightens up too much I think that is risky to because people will spend less and the economy won't be stimulated.  As a result we could see more unemployment and greater social issues.  Its very important to get the balance right.

If we cut welfare to the most needy there are a whole host of other issues that will need to be addressed. As far as paying people the new start rate until 70, who can survive on that? We will end up with more people on that payment on the poverty line with fewer services to assist them. The result could be that we follow the USA and end up with more homelessness and more crime because people are desperate. It's a hard one but its important we get it right as a nation.

[the_great_she_elephant]

I am a bit confused by the "total tax" bar on Monman's graph. 

Every time you smoke a cigarette you pay tax.

Every time you have a beer or a cool drink you pay tax.

Every time you fill up your car you pay tax.

Every time you call plumber or get your washing machine fixed you pay tax.

Every time you pay a phone or electricity bill you pay tax. 

How is it possible, therefore to calculate how much tax any individual or group of individuals has paid?